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Do you believe in prayer?

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kircubbin2000 Wed 15-Jan-20 18:59:08

I could hardly believe my ears over coffee this morning when a new lady joined us. We had been talking about cashmere sweaters and she also loves them and had been looking in charity shops.
"Before I went in", she said,"I prayed and when the girl searched upstairs she found 5 cashmere sweaters!" She also told one of my friends that she was wrong to read her grandson Greek mythology stories as they aren't Christian.

Greeneyedgirl Thu 16-Jan-20 14:39:11

In answer to endlessstrife several posts back, I am not praying to anyone, what I said was that I think that prayer is akin to the mediation that I do. Buddhist meditation actually, and I do not personally believe in a supernatural God.
I believe that similar to meditation, prayer changes what is happening in your brain and can give you, peace, awareness, and motivation to live a better and more compassionate life.
Everyone has to find a way that helps them through life's difficulties.

Sandigold Thu 16-Jan-20 14:27:40

I do believe in prayer as a way of communicating with the Source/ Divine. It's been quite a journey. I agree that it is more about the relationship with God than a shopping list.

JenniferEccles Thu 16-Jan-20 14:22:25

No one can answer that jura 2 but I completely agree with you.

That question has occurred to me many times too.

I was interested in the psychological explanation briefly mentioned earlier, that the calm state often induced by praying produces more of a clarity of thought to enable the person to cope better or to see a solution to whatever is troubling them.

As for saving the sick, well that’s down to the skill of doctors and modern medicine isn’t it?

Doodle Thu 16-Jan-20 14:20:36

Why is it people who don’t believe in God are often so angry with the God they don’t believe in.

Doodle Thu 16-Jan-20 14:18:49

What would make you think that God would save the life of one child over another jura. Some lives are saved and some not. Just because we pray does not mean all prayers are answered. All children belong to God and all are loved whether their parents pray or not. Also I think you will find that everyone in the world has someone who is praying for them. When we pray God requires our prayers to be for all. I pray constantly for my DGS but never fail to pray for other children with his problems and others with problems that I hope he never encounters.
I have neither the wit or the words to convince a non believer all I can do is say I believe. I pray every day for all those who are suffering and for all in pain.

jura2 Thu 16-Jan-20 14:17:33

Or 'I''ll save that one with Catholic parents who pray, but not Protestants (that would have been the case not very long ago in parts of the world) - or that one as long as parents are Christian, but the Muslim parents can pray all they want, I am not saving that one, etc.

Rosina Thu 16-Jan-20 14:13:37

Praying for a cashmere sweater seems rather trivial; I knew some church goers who said they asked God what they should wear each day - 'seemed rather cheeky!
I don't now go regularly, but find if I am in a church it is good to sit quietly and let cares go for a time. Prayer is calming, and the post from Doodle sums up how I feel so well.

jura2 Thu 16-Jan-20 14:09:49

What sort of God would 'save the child' of praying religious parents- but let another one die because it has no parents to pray or parents who don't? Can anyone answer?

Hetty58 Thu 16-Jan-20 14:06:09

Praying for an item sounds more like the 'Cosmic ordering' that Noel Edmonds believes in:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ordering

grandtanteJE65 Thu 16-Jan-20 13:59:24

I certainly believe in the power of prayer, but I would feel rather ridiculous troubling the Almighty with something as insignificant as whether a shop had or didn't have the thing I wanted.

I think it depends what age the child was whether not reading Greek myths was reasonable or the reverse.

If you are trying to bring a young child up to believe in God in whichever way his parents do, then it might not be a good thing to talk about other belief systems. Children can become confused as to what belongs in their own religion and what belongs in others.

If the child is ten or over, he should be able to realise that there are and were different religions and reading myths should do any harm.

Kartush Thu 16-Jan-20 13:50:09

One needs to believe in a god to pray, so no I don’t

Forestflame Thu 16-Jan-20 13:49:22

Doodle, you summed it up beautifully.

kircubbin2000 Thu 16-Jan-20 13:46:47

Ethel j she wasn't joking. She also told us yoga was unsuitable due to Indian gods.I shall avoid her next week.

okimherenow Thu 16-Jan-20 13:45:58

As a ret headteacher by law I was required to hold an act of daily worship (Christian based). Which I did for 25 years without any qualms although a devout atheist.
We sang appropriate religious songs joined together in a short prayer and shared thoughts for the day.
Apart from Bible stories and direct references to God it was a secular thought provoking assembly and all concerned (well most) enjoyed a thoughtful quiet start to the day.
But no I do not believe in god or prayer but I do believe in the power of positive thinking..

Sawsage2 Thu 16-Jan-20 13:40:11

I've been troubled for 4 years by my Grandson aged 18 (I even had to sell my house) & have prayed many times to God & my mum for help and the word 'Providence ' came to my mind, I was unsure what it meant until I looked it up. So yes I do believe in the power of prayer.

Patsy429 Thu 16-Jan-20 13:38:47

My faith in the Lord Jesus Christ involves prayer every single day. Through Him I have access to God the Father and I thank Him for my salvation every day. Jesus encourages us to bring all things to him and, whilst praying for cashmere jumpers seems trivial, it does show that the charity shop customer was doing just that! I agree that it is not easy being a Christian but compared to those who are persecuted for their faith in other countries, we are blessed here in the UK to have the freedom and choice to worship wherever and whenever we wish. I am writing this without trying to sound pious because that is not my intention. What I am saying is that I do believe in the power of prayer and I pray to a loving and kind heavenly Father.

Septimia Thu 16-Jan-20 13:30:53

I pray. Frequently and often in the loo where it's quiet (does God care where I am?!).

At the very least, and even for people without faith, prayer is a good way of focusing your thoughts on whatever is troubling you and meditating on it. Often it helps to find an answer or a way through. Whether you believe that the answer comes from God or your own efforts, the result is the same.

SueWll Thu 16-Jan-20 13:27:49

I always find it strange that people think God, Jesus or whatever has time/interest in sorting out their 1st world niggles yet does nothing to sort out real problems of drought and floods in the 3rd world.
Not for me. If there is a God he's an evil b*****d.

KatyK Thu 16-Jan-20 13:20:17

Thank you Elle

EthelJ Thu 16-Jan-20 13:17:40

I think it depends what you mean by prayer really. I am not a church going Christian but when I am very anxious particularly about people I love I do find myseld turning to something like prayer. I also think it can bring comfort to people. I think that praying for a cashmere jumper and not allowing your children to read Greek mythology is ridiculous though.
Did she really believe the jumper was in the shop because she prayed for it? Or was she just joking. If she really believed it I would question her beliefs because it doesn't sound very Christian

Tillybelle Thu 16-Jan-20 13:14:29

Dear KatyK. That is so sad. It is also not uncommon. I have met so many people upset by a cruel childhood or upset by the rigorous religious upbringing they received. Often the two things are intertwined. This of course is nothing to do with God, it is the work of people and the fact that we live in the world outside the Garden of Eden and where the Devil holds sway. We are weak and do not understand. It is terrible that children suffer and I am not in the least surprised that you have no time for any Christian faith.
I am so sorry this happened to you. Unlike many, I believe it was purely by chance that you were in a family which delivered this kind of upbringing. I do not believe the theory that we are set trials that we can endure or to make us stronger. I simply think it is the mark of the wickedness that exists in the world, call it whatever you like. I really wish I could say something that could comfort you. I am so sorry you had to live through such a terrible childhood. I do believe that Jesus is very distressed about it and angry with the perpetrators of the cruelty. Why he does not intervene is a mystery we cannot understand until we see the next world. I did not believe in God, having had a difficult childhood too, until I was shown the next life, very briefly, and then I saw plainly that this life is just a passing phase and that we are loved so much and life goes on so much more wonderfully after we leave this world. This changed me. If you can have just a tiny hope, a grain of belief as the Bible says, then the way ahead will be wonderful for you. Meanwhile try to make a good life for yourself, one you deserve, and do not let the unhappiness of childhood throw its shadow over your life now.
With much love, Elle. ?? ?

nannyof4 Thu 16-Jan-20 13:14:17

No i do not Pray nor a church goer.

JeannieB44 Thu 16-Jan-20 12:55:59

As a non conventional believer I have never understood professional sports people thanking God when they have won a race, scored a goal etc. Surely if they believe that strongly and with all the ills in the world they would believe God would have better things to do than watch their supporting achievement. Surely a Christian would be praying for a better world not their own personal commercial desires.

Tillybelle Thu 16-Jan-20 12:54:56

Dear Doodle You so beautifully express what I feel and brought one of my favourite Salvation Army Songs into my head:

I serve a risen Saviour, He's in the world today
I know that He is living, whatever men may say
I see His hand of mercy, I hear His voice of cheer
And just the time I need Him He's always near

He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Christ Jesus lives today
He walks with me and talks with me
Along life's narrow way
He lives (He lives), He lives (He lives), Salvation to impart
You ask me how I know He lives?
He lives within my heart!

In all the world around me I see His loving care
And though my heart grows weary I never will despair
I know that He is leading, through all the stormy blast
The day of His appearing will come at last

He lives (as above)

Dear GrannyGravy13. You sound as if you need support. I do hope your prayers were answered. I know what it is to pray in a desperate hope for something. I sincerely hope all is well with you and pray for peace in your heart.

KatyK Thu 16-Jan-20 12:52:46

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