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Charging Vietnamese families to repatriate their dead, trafficked, family members

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GagaJo Wed 04-Dec-19 07:26:57

Dominic Raab is a nasty piece of work!.

First he shuts down Harry Dunn’s father outside his hustings venue, then refuses entrance at his hustings.

Now we discover that the Foreign Secretary is charging the families of the Essex lorry victims £2,000 to have their bodies repatriated.

The victims who were enticed with the promise of a prosperous life in Britain were charged up to £40,000 by the traffickers only to be killed in a container. Those arrested and charged for people trafficking, illegal immigration, manslaughter are British citizens.

The government is deliberately pushing these families into further misery and debt. Knowing very well people sold/mortgaged their homes, land or took high interest loans. Surely the right thing to do is seize the assets of the culprits and use that money at the least.

This government lost compassion long ago now it has lost its soul.

Ngaio1 Wed 04-Dec-19 21:31:40

As long as the British taxpayer does not have to pay. I am sorry that people died but they tried to cheat their way into this country instead of coming in the official way. I also think that people caught crossing the channel should be sent back and not brought into GB.

M0nica Wed 04-Dec-19 21:09:06

EllenVannin, They begged, borrowed and stole from friends and family, money lenders and some by selling their bodies. All the ways desperate people do when life is utterly hopeless but they see one, just one, small chink of light.

Doodle Wed 04-Dec-19 20:14:11

SirChen I am not trying to be difficult but the OP states that Dominic Raab is charging the families. You say you think that the UK govt has passed the cost to the Vietnamese Govt but I would like to know where it actually says this is the truth and not someone’s interpretation of it. I have looked on a couple of places and heard no mention of Dominic Raab or the UK govt. Where have you read it please so I can look it up. Thanks

GrannyGravy13 Wed 04-Dec-19 20:14:07

SirChenjin do you think they are using these bereaved families as a warning to others who may be considering sending their young folk here via “traffickers”?

SirChenjin Wed 04-Dec-19 20:09:30

I think it’s both Govts - the UK govt has passed the cost to the Vietnamese Govt. I’m sure that it’s not beyond the abilities of these politicians to come to a better and kinder arrangement.

quizqueen Wed 04-Dec-19 19:57:58

Take it out of the Foreign Aid budget. The government should be using that to cover the cost of for all deportations as well.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 04-Dec-19 19:56:05

Sirchenjin totally agree, but it seems (as I see it) that the problem lies with the Vietnamese Government not ours.

SirChenjin Wed 04-Dec-19 19:52:52

This is a very different set of circumstances though. British men committed these crimes and as gallus rightly pointed out, there’s a method of funding their repatriation that wouldn’t cost the taxpayer anything (for those who are worried about that) which would show the UK to be the kind of compassionate country with values most of us uphold. It’s quite obvious that these families did not have insurance - it simply doesn’t apply here.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 04-Dec-19 19:47:20

If a British citizen dies abroad (outside of the EU) it is down to the family to repatriate the body, usually paid for by holiday/health insurance.

Doodle Wed 04-Dec-19 19:34:53

Who actually said it was Dominic Raab charging the families? I have read it is the Vietnamese Embassy who has told the families they will have to pay. Can we get the true facts before we start saying what dreadful people we are in this country. If a British person dies abroad, who is responsible for getting the body back? Does anyone know?

mumofmadboys Wed 04-Dec-19 19:23:38

We are part of the world Poppyred. We have a responsibility to the whole of humanity. We are a rich country.

Callistemon Wed 04-Dec-19 13:58:26

I agree gallusquine (as I stated up thread)

The Vietnamese Government have paid the costs and are now charging the families. The Vietnamese Government and British Government together can recoup the money in that way so no family should have to pay anything.

SirChenjin Wed 04-Dec-19 13:26:16

Absolutely gallusquine

There are many ways that returning children and loved ones to their families could be facilitated. I'm not ashamed of my country but the judgement of this Govt leaves a lot to be desired.

Opal Wed 04-Dec-19 12:20:32

Very sad story, and there are multiple viewpoints, but "makes me ashamed to be British"? Come on, that's a bit of an hysterical reaction? We can all have a view on what's right and wrong in these cases, but it would take a lot more than this to make me "ashamed" of my country. What about all the great things we do/have done? Let's try to get some balance and reasoning, FFS.

GagaJo Wed 04-Dec-19 12:18:34

A sensible resolution gallusquine!

gallusquine Wed 04-Dec-19 12:14:44

It would be good use of the Proceeds of Crime Fund to pay for the repatriation of the bodies surely.

glammanana Wed 04-Dec-19 12:01:12

It must have cost the UK thousands up to now with everyone involved with this case Police/NCA/Medical and all the other agencies involved so I think £78k is a drop in the ocean,when the criminals are found guilty their assets should be stripped and given over to cover the cost.

SirChenjin Wed 04-Dec-19 11:58:38

Taking advantage by risking their lives? Really - you see that as taking advantage?

Direct your ire at the multinationals and politicians who take full advantage of the UK - they’re the ones who deserve your lack of compassion. As for the open door policy - the Tories have been in power for how long? They’re quite happy to have the cheap labour from these countries, it’s what shores up the economy.

Poppyred Wed 04-Dec-19 11:38:32

Ah but that’s the trouble MawB we are known all over the world for our generosity of spirit... far too many now taking advantage.

NotSpaghetti Wed 04-Dec-19 10:48:41

Riverwalk is right.
UK should repatriate and then extract the money from the smugglers. We know at least some of those involved so that's obviously possible.

MawB Wed 04-Dec-19 10:42:15

we are not responsible for the rest of the world. We have enough problems of our own to deal with, child poverty and lack of basic social care for the elderly .....and the list goes on

Oh Poppyred have you not read the parable of the Good Samaritan?
Simple acts of humanity are what define a civilised society.

Poppyred Wed 04-Dec-19 10:25:17

And still they come.... by fair means or foul. ......

Riverwalk Wed 04-Dec-19 10:22:21

Labour has been out of power for the past nine years confused

Callistemon Wed 04-Dec-19 10:21:59

We don't know what arrangements were made between the two governments though, do we.
Perhaps our government was unaware that the families would be charged by the Vietnamese government.

I would like to know the full facts before commenting more except to say that the families should not have been charged at all.

Poppyred Wed 04-Dec-19 10:19:36

Maw B

We are a broken country because of Labour’s open door policy. What a waste of our resources- we are not responsible for the rest of the world. We have enough problems of our own to deal with, child poverty and lack of basic social care for the elderly .....and the list goes on.