Prince Andrew

who said it was good or bad?

What we are objecting to is the supposed link in trisher's post between a career in the services and associating with known paedophiles.

How can being in the services be a good thing or a bad thing? It's a job.

Iam64
He never raised a finger and I'm not sure he raised his voice either, to we children. He was gentle, kind and set high standards for us in terms of social responsibility, kindness towards others.

I can reiterate those words about my own father who was in WW1 through to WW2 and beyond in the Royal Navy. He was quiet, caring, considerate and socially responsible for the rest of his life.

Likewise other ex-servicemen I know, one of whom served with Andrew in the Falklands - but did not follow the same path as Andrew after leaving the service, as he holds down a responsible job, is a loving father and grandfather and very caring and socially responsible too.

PA was the only one of HM's children to have seen active service and so that may have made him a bit special.

petra

yes I think you are right

Even the Queen, as Princess Elizabeth, during WW2, joined the ATS in 1945 when she was 18/19. She trained as a military truck driver and mechanic. The end of the war just a few weeks after her 19th birthday, cut short her military career.

During WW1, George VI was mentioned in despatches for his action as a turret officer aboard HMS Collingwood in the Battle of Jutland.

Varian
Prince Phillip saw active duty in WW2 from the age of 18.

Thankyou Lemongrove,

Good post Brid ??

I hadn’t commented before Varian ?
I must forgot to address my post to trisher who thought being in the services was obviously a bad thing ( when it isn’t).

The combination of nature & nurture for each & everyone of us is unique. No one knows how their lives will pan out in terms of behaviour , but we do have laws that provide a general consensus of how we are expected to behave.
We are also aware that there will always be consequences, if caught in the act of flouting said laws.
Some folks are morally bankrupt, arrogant or just plain stupid, leaving them to believe that they are untouchable in regard to their own behaviour.
I have no doubt that PA has had a surprising wake up call.
We will never know if he fully regrets or even accepts the severity of his actions.
As he is a father to daughters one would hope so.

Absolutely nothing at all to do with his time spent as a Naval Officer......and you know this because?.....

I am sorry lemon if you think I was responding to some comment you had made.

I was merely making my own observation on PA and the way his brief military service may have endeared him to HM.

I watched the interview and read his body language
I'm sure he was being deceptive

My post was to trisher and not Varian

Absolutely nothing at all to do with his time spent as a Naval Officer, flying helicopters.
You are confusing that with being in the Army as a squaddie.....but even then you would be wrong!

Genetics, power and wealth with everyone around you being servile may well play a part.Being feted wherever you go, and having a weak character perhaps too, but certainly not
Serving in the ‘Senior Service’......if anything that should instill a sense of duty and acting in the right interest of others.

I think that his time in the n Navy, in the Falklands war, made his mother proud.

The RF are a military family and just about all of them are festooned with medals, but (until PH went to Afghanistan) PA was the only one to have seen active service.

I suspect that has enabled HM to give him a very long leash ever since - up until now.

I suppose it's too simplistic to say Andrew and his time in the Navy made him macho. There is our genes, our up bringing and also our learning by mistakes. Something goes wrong.....we have a choice to seek help, or to carry on arrogantly doing the same thing.

Of course we are all the 'product of our upbringing', the influence of our family environment can't be disputed. However, to suggest that our patterns of behaviour and relationships are fixed by those experiences and that we have no agency over our behaviour isn't true.
Genetics play a part. So does self determination. It isn't true that everyone who was abused as a child becomes an abuser. Many many people make the decision they won't repeat the things from their own childhood that were damaging, painful or abusive.
Andrew was in the Navy, my father was a Royal Marine, a military service that some like trisher, would dismiss as 'macho'. My dad wasn't Mr Macho, nor did he repeat his own childhood experience of what used to be called "a good hiding" for misdemeanours. He joined the police force after the war, another 'macho' environment. He never raised a finger and I'm not sure he raised his voice either, to we children. He was gentle, kind and set high standards for us in terms of social responsibility, kindness towards others.

trisher yes Phillip had affairs, shop girls ? I doubt sorry,

which decades ?

Anniebach Philip definitely was a philanderer it was well known in London city circles. I had family connections there and I was told that he generally liked 'shop girls'. And of course there was the headless man photo. Nowadays the papers would print everything they know, then they didn't.
I don't suppose Andrew was popular goes with the status and his expectations.

Pinkquartz
we don't know yet how he did that
'We' might not but there are quiet a lot of people in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Lybia and Tunisia who do ?

So much is tabloid fairy tales, Phillip was a philanderer, the queen ignored it, Andrew isn’t Phillips son, let’s not forget both Charles and Edward were gay, the queen mother conceived with the use of a turkey baster, Diana was a Saint,
Margaret had to sacrifice the love of her life.

No other family in this country, on this forum, were divorced, had an affair, had a child who wandered off the straight and
narrow.

The reason they are wealthy we are not. !

I agree, Calistemon.