Prince Andrew

Gonegirl I wasn't insulting you, I was showing that because our age of consent is 16 doesn't make it right for someone to ignore the higher age of consent of another country. I expected you to be horrified at the thought of an age of consent as young as 11. And I do find it insulting to the girls involved that you think they were "up for it" Do you not understand the reality of "grooming"?

I think he should have said "Yes, I had sex with her. She was 17, over the age of consent where I come from, and she was quite happy with it. So what?" So equally a Nigerian could say the same of an "up for it" 12 year old in this country. Wasn't it also the defence for the Rochdale abuses that those girls, some not much older, were "up for it" ?

I think he should have said "Yes, I had sex with her. She was 17, over the age of consent where I come from, and she was quite happy with it. So what?"

The young woman in the picture does look very happy.

Well, we are talking about Prince Andrew here Alexa. We can't judge him on what "some paedophiles" may want. He is not a paedophile.

I think there could be too much shock horror involved here. Not with Epstein but with Andrew.

It's taking it away from the General Election as well!

Some paedophiles would love to have sex with young girls but they don't do so as they know young girls cannot judge sexual matter for themselves and so need to be protected. These are good men.

Other paedophiles are sexual predators who regard any girls as his rightful prey. These are bad men.

Some parts of the world have ages of consent of 11 and 12, so by your reasoning should we accept people from those countries having sex with our girls of that age in this country?

Don't insult me.

Well, all this is taking attention off Trump, the Clintons and their association with Epstein.

We know Andrew was a friend of Epstein, we know he stayed in Epsteins homes.

We know Andrew had a photograph taken with the girl who claims he had sex with her, the photograph was taken in this country where the age of consent is 16.

And being British himself, he would have considered her to be of the age of consent.

Ok. That's Epstein. But it's not Prince Andrew is it? All he has done in actuality is indulge in a rich man's playboy lifestyle, which we all know he does anyway.

No way would Andrew have slept with a fourteen year old. Just a seventeen year old who was probably well up for it.

But we are, Gonegirl.
Epstein was convicted years ago of procuring a 14 year old girl for purposes of prostitution. Another 36 girls, some also that young, were identified as being abused by him.
He served time in prison and was facing trial again for sex trafficking of minors but conveniently committed suicide.

Gonegirl I think these girls had been groomed and abused from younger ages than 17. And they are underage in that part of America so our age of consent is totally irrelevant. Some parts of the world have ages of consent of 11 and 12, so by your reasoning should we accept people from those countries having sex with our girls of that age in this country?

Feeling brave gonegirl. ?

I now await the shock horror. Especially from sw.

How has the queen ‘stood by her son ‘ ? Has she given an interview defending him ?

None of the girls were actually underage were they? Not in UK terms.

I wonder if the 'trafficking' was simply introducing them to a lifestyle that they were happy to be involved in. We're not talking paedophiles here are we.

Just putting another point of view into the mix.

I think he was stupid and should have taken advice from royal PR people. I like the Queen and I like the monarchy and I fear some of the Queens relations are behaving like silly ordinary aristocrats .

Prince Charles needs to have a blitz on appropriate royal behaviour by some of the others.

They all ought to obey the laws and have a mind to moral leadership.

(Anniebach has already said that)

suziewoozie you can put your own interpretation on my posts if you wish; however, I know what I say and your interpretation is your own from your own point of view.

Andrew is not our Head of State nor ever likely to be. HM was drawn unwittingly into this as he invited his friend to meet her; I doubt she knew of his life at the time. Standing by her son as publicly she did recently was unwise, she should have distanced herself. However, if she believes absolutely in his innocence as he has presumably convinced her, then that is why she did so.

Urm I expect there were many strings to Epstein's bow - like a malevolent spider drawing all into his evil web.

And now he might have to the US to give evidence on oath.

O. M. G.

Doubt anyone will now say ‘I spent the evening relaxing ‘

OMG sometimes I relax too!!

Relaxing , is that what it’s called ?

A Buckingham Palace spokesman once said Epstein had taught Andy how to relax. I’ll just leave that there.