Prince Andrew

The Maxwells have never been the most principled of families. Prince Andrew should have distanced himself from her from the outset. I always used to think the Royals were careful about the company they kept but obviously not.

The person who holds all the clues and the one who is the most slippery is Ghislaine (spelling?) Maxwell. She is has made herself invisible and is probably in some state that has no extradition treaty with UK or US. But surely she must bear the title Most Wanted.

The fallout has started

KMPG is not renewing it’s sponsorship of ‘Pitch&Palace

AstraZeneca has said their 3 year partnership with Pitch&Palace ends this year and they are reviewing it,

The Outward Bound Trust is reviewing his patronage at an
additional board meeting this week.

The police are not just after PA. They are looking for other high profile members of the sex trafficking ring. Children as young as 12 are involved.
PA is only one of them

There are many other young women involved not just the one in the photo she is not just doing it for money. That is insulting to the young women who were procured and abused.

One of the witnesses is a former butler of another of Epstein's guests. The butler saw one of the young girls distressed in the kitchen.

This is so much bigger than PA and the photograph.
I t is not prostitution it is abuse.
Young girls were procurred They were lied to and enticed and then raped or forced into sex. At least one young woman was kept as a sex slave on an island with her passport taken away and threats made.

To repeat PA is just one member of this rich men's "club".

I really hope they (French and American Police) can catch the lot.

Can US authorities be trusted ?

Have they not questioned any of the many men involved ? Have they questioned the Americans involved ?

I really don’t know where I stand on this. Yes I believe Andrew
knows much but why are they concentrating on one British
man ?

Over 50 women willing to speak out in court yet we only hear
one man’s name. Yes the British press are going for him but
surely the US Authorities have the names of many,

Yes I get that now Eloethan and I agree with you.

Why not indeed, Eloethan

I can hardly believe that he is so gauche and naïve that he did not realise something was untoward.
If someone has nothing to hide then surely that person would be happy to help the authorities seek the truth.

Some Gransnetters say although he has behaved shabbily and unwisely, and didn't come across as particularly convincing in his interview, there is no hard evidence that he personally has done anything illegal.

That may be true but I believe it's the case that the US authorities would like to interview him regarding Epstein and the allegations of the women who accused Epstein of masterminding a grooming/trafficking sex network. It was reported a while ago that he had told friends he was upset, with the disclosure of these womens' testimonies, he would ne unable to visit the US, presumably fearing that he would be forced to help the US authorities with their enquiries.

The very fact that Gislaine Maxwell, a close friend of his also, has disappeared from public view and it seems no-one knows if she is alive or dead (or possibly someone is hiding her) indicates that others are aware that they will be seen as complicit in Epstein's criminal activities. Andrew would presumably have some very valuable information as to who Epstein's friends and contacts were and where they might be likely to be found.

Instead, he chose to be be questioned by a TV interviewer on "home ground".

I disagree with the notion that "they" are "really after Epstein" (because, as stated, he is dead). However, other men and women (who are presumably still alive, though possibly not for long) were allegedly involved in this criminal sex trade and they too should be held legally responsible for any illegal activities they engaged in. It is difficult to believe that Andrew knew and saw nothing during his many visits to Epstein's various residences. If he truly regretted being involved with this man and had been but an "innocent abroad", why not do the "honourable" thing and go to the US to provide whatever information he has to the US investigating authorities?

Yes she was so young Callistemon but not now . What reason can she and her lawyer have for choosing one man from the many she must have met

Who care enough

Sorry, this auto-correct is annoying me.

Not all (typo)

She was a girl at the time, Anniebach.

As the mother of daughters, the thought that they could have been vulnerable enough to have been used and abused by predatory men sickens me.
Nor all these girls have strong fathers or mothers whom are what happens to them.

Just come to this thread. We have naval friend and our god son is also in the navy and all were serving when PA was in the navy. He was not liked, arrogant with an overwheening sense of his own importance - and not that bright, was the general naval opinion of him.

On the radio this morning one royal correspondent said more or less the same thing. Thinks he is much cleverer than he is, only listens to people who agree with him and he thought the interview went very well - I rest my case.

Callistemon , yes, as there were 20 witnesses and 30 more women willing to be witnesses there must have been many, many men involved , yet the woman and her lawyer are concerned with one man , Andrew.

Surely others were named yet the woman in the photograph is demanding Andrew speaks the truth, as she was groomed by Epstein she must have been involved with more than one
man.

I am not excusing Andrew, but I do not trust this woman

Thank you Calliestemon .

No of course not, that's not what I meant Coolio. I would not want to have anything to do with a convicted sexual predator and don't understand why anyone would.

He may not have had anything to do with Epstein's crimes but his failure to sever all contact with him immediately could be viewed as his tolerance of them.

IMO to say Epstein's behaviour was "unbecoming" was offensive to not only E's victims but all victims of sexual abuse. It came across very badly and I can see why. It made light of the true horrific nature of sex trafficking and sexual abuse.

Especially the PM who put his arm round Andrew's mother!

Bridgeit 18 Nov 14:11
I agree well put.

And yes, we should be concerned about all the other men who were allegedly involved, Sparklefizz despite what I was informed up thread.
They are not just any old celebrities, they are or were world leaders.

Understandable that he would know the daughter of a former
Australian PM

Bluebelle I think the young woman pictured saying goodbye when PA was hiding behind Epstein's door was not a possibly trafficked youngster, she was the 30 something daughter of Paul Keating, ex-Australian Prime Minister.

Using is using which ever way around it is.
Sometimes folks are not aware that they do it , some are perfectly aware & many enjoy being users.
Which is why there are laws in place to discourage those who over step the mark & to protect those who are vulnerable.
It is the power balance that denotes wither or not one is being used (imo )

Sorry Grapefruit, some men have always taken advantage. I agree, I should t have generalised.

I absolutely object to " Men have always taken advantage"

Anniebach, because she doesn’t actually want to, I believe a low key affair is what they want.

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. Call girls, Lady boys etc, etc. Men have always taken advantage. Women for a quick buck, or perhaps celebrity lay open to this. What about professional women that use men?