Prince Andrew

According to the same article that while Andrew was making the programme, his erstwhile wife was enjoying herself cavorting with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. He of the chopping people up fame - particularly reporters who disagree with him.

“Everyone has been so nice here in Riyadh” she gushed. “ That is what comes from having good leadership”

Blimey

Yes loopylou but that is how it is now , with the exception of
Harry and Megan. Charles blocked Andrew’s daughters from official duties and having security. Edward’s children still in school, Anne’s children do their own thing.

Andrew is out, Fergie been out since the divorce.

I would like to see a slimmed down monarchy; Charles, William, Catherine (not sure about Harry and Meghan in light of their grievances with just about everyone, perhaps they'd be happier doing their own thing and earning their own money?). Then the next tier would be Anne, Edward and Sophie.
Definitely no role whatsoever for Andrew (and Fergie who's probably not going to be happy with the £££££ cut off - and why was she summoned to the Palace?)

I wish those who speak of a slimmed down monarchy would name who should not carry out royal duties .

"He" being PA, not Boris!

@white: I haven't read the article yet but I think it's interesting the way the Monarchy have responded to the PA situation.

Even HM didn't come out of Borisgate looking great, did she?

I think the way he's been chucked under a bus suggests a lack of confidence and yes, once Her Maj goes, what's left?

Time for a regroup with Charles the head of a slimmed-down monarchy?

They'll survive though, I think. But there'll be less emphasis on "the Royal Family" and more on "Monarchy".

They always manage to adapt.

Interesting article in the paper today, suggesting that with the queens demise there is not a lot holding the monarchy together, and it is possible if not likely that it will implode.

Callistemon I think you are right. The moral role model is not necessarily the same sex parent, or even a parent. Possibly Ghislaine was much influenced as a child by affection and other goods lavished on her, so that she also imbibed the moral attitude of the role model. I do believe this happens although I wonder what status it has in law.

Who said that? Totally fallacious conclusion drawn illogically and irrationally.

So it's ok for a man to be logical, rational and "lacking in empathy" but not a woman?

It’s not the rationally or logically oldgimmer it’s the lack of empathy

You’re definitely a ‘man’. Have the courage to own it, it’s not your fault.

Using her surname only is a deliberate negative act towards her old.: As for your thinking rationally and logically, you’d be lucky.

I have not said that I do not have sympathy for the victims, the alleged victims, or for Giuffre.

And I find the notion that I cannot be a woman because I think rationally and logically deeply offensive and sexist.

Absolutely agree with that pink

No I it is the wrong word...but the poster has no heart or feelings.

The Maxwell woman (and I have no hesitation in referring to her by her surname) may be as insensitive to other people as her father was. He creamed off the pensions of his workers.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree there, did it!

Oh pink I don’t think the word intellectual is at all appropriate.

oldgimmer

I might be totally out of order but are you a man?

because you seem so uncaring for the plight of the young women....It is a fact that Epstein had abused dozens of young girls, some as young as twelve.

To me the issue of money is completely irrelevant.
What matters is to shine a light and see what has been going on and then go after them and women who were involved.
I imagine that the Maxwell woman was in it for the money....or was she just very evil?

Also you write so off hand about the abuse...You don't get it do You?

That is why it sounds like you are a bloke and also that you have no daughters.
If you had daughter you could not be dispassionate about this issue. I think.

Most fathers are outraged about predatory men on young girls and have a protective attitude.
You almost seen to regard this like an intellectual game

I think GN is a pretty disgusting place at the moment

I think of all the trafficked and exploited children and feel so angered and dispirited on their behalf. “Fair game” indeed

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I think oldgimmer means all parties in an investigation can be questioned

And in any case, in an investigation of this sort, all parties are fair game. Nature of the beast

Unbelievable

No one's criticising his alleged victims.

Wondering what lies behind Giuffre's and other alleged victims' motivation of PA is not the same as criticising them. It's logical reasoning.

And in any case, in an investigation of this sort, all parties are fair game. Nature of the beast.