"Regressive and sexist"

That needs to be thoroughly publicised, Trisher, to allay the very real fears of abused women, alongside the currently more active publicity of the point of view of the trans people who are affected by it. That is what I mean about the stronger voices of some trans women - they are vocal about their needs and rights, while abused women could be more diffident about demanding theirs. Their safety- and their sense of safety - when "whole" men could appear to be women is one of the aspects of transgender legislation that puts many off it.

As far as the admission of trans women to only women spaces I think the words of a woman from a refuge reporting on this are applicable. She basically said that everyone admitted to the refuge were subjected to a risk assessment and anyone failing that would not be accepted regardless of gender and I would stick with that.

Dora I am very well aware of that which is why I am asking Nottooold to explain to me her point of view.
That seems to be that, instead of seeing it as a important issue re basic rights and equality, she regards it as a specific school subject!
You are very far off the mark with your assumptions and as an experienced retired teacher I seriously question how LGBT can be seen as a such and also how it can be taught!
If the terminology had indicated that she did or did not approve of the discussion of LGBT rights then the discussion would have been different.
Please do not ask me to imagine a scenario as you have no knowledge of my opinions and experience.

I was questioning the wording of a post in the hope of clarification and not the validity of discussing a very important issue and its place in schools which is why I supported Moxi's post. Note that she correctly said teaching about.

Pride Toronto, the organisation behind the city's annual pride festival, . . said in a statement that Ms Murphy's views are "a denial of the lives, experiences and identities of trans people".

But the demands of SOME trans activists are a denial of the lives, experiences and identities of non-trans people. If a woman has experienced sexual and physical abuse from men, she needs to know that she can go somewhere safe from the least possibility of that happening again. "Ms Murphy says she wants to ensure the safety of women in places like female prisons, women's refuges and changing rooms.

In Canada, she has spoken against a bill that amended Canada's rights act to prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender expression and identity over concerns it could undermine women's rights by eroding their "safe spaces".

"Under current trans activist doctrine we're not allowed to exclude a man from a woman's space if he says that he's female and I find that quite dangerous and troubling," she told the BBC.

Having spaces that defend this right doesn't need to impinge on the rights of trans people, it maintains the rights of vulnerable natal women. Probably there should also be such places for trans people - but the safety net should not be removed from one section of society to give it instead to another. That is not equality, it is the supremacy of the strongest (due to their testosterone-conditioned combative instincts) and the most vocal.

But mcem it has been explained that LGBT is not not being taught in schools. Two teachers have already explained this.
Imagine you have a young family member who is different: perhaps they are gay, or the only child in their class who belongs to a different religion, or who is visually or mentally impaired, would you not expect them to be treated with respect?

Sorry OP. Meant to address NotTooOld!

Exactly! The fact that anyone can think that LGBT is a subject to be taught in schools is beyond me.
That's why I framed my question as I did in the hope that OP would come back and explain her point of view.

I go with Moxi's opinion. I don't care what gender, religion or race anyone is. I take as I find.

Hi this is my first day on gransnet so I hope you don't mind me chipping in. I am a secondary school teacher who teaches about issues such as LGBTQ rights and many of my pupils feel just like you NotTooOld they are confused and bewildered by all of this. I think it is really important therefore to give them chance to talk openly about this, with someone other than their parents, in a safe and tolerant space. Change is always difficult for everyone, as you said GagaJo, but I think talking about tolerance and understanding can only be a good thing.

Schools aren’t “teaching LGBT in primary schools.” Schools are teaching tolerance. Tolerance for those who are different from us: race, religion, sexuality, able bodiedness or not, with mental health issues or not.....Surely that is a good thing?

NotTooOld is your mind boggling at the thought of teaching or not teaching facts about LGBT rights and attitudes?
How can you teach LGBT as such?
Teach children how to be gay or teach them how not to be gay?
Just don't understand the rationale behind your post.

Bet white racists in the US would have said the same during the civil rights movement. Just wishing for life to go back to 'normal' for them.

I expect sexist men would say the same about feminism, now we're in the middle of the 3rd wave.

And I'm sure homophobes were sick of hearing about gay rights, until equal marriage was legalised.

Cultures move on and change. And in the middle of the change, it is awkward and uncomfortable for those who aren't affected directly by it. But if you were a sociologist, you'd say flux / change was a normal action.

And as for 'teaching' LGBT in primary school....the mind boggles. I read recently that there is a charity (or somesuch) being set up for people who have 'transitioned' and now wish they hadn't.

To be honest i am fed up of hearing all this transgender stuff,which seems to dominate everything we read or hear or see on TV,
Where has this all come from all of a sudden, i sometimes think it's a phase people are going through or it seems trendy
Not knocking genuine ones,but some seem to change their mind
I know of several children who are saying they want to be the opposite sex

Yes moocow the trans lobby goes after anybody who has a differing view to their own, I don’t know who Meghan Murphy is, other than a feminist, but since the police were inside and outside the venue to keep the peace, it seems that she was giving an entirely reasonable and legal talk.It’s all getting out of hand!

try Horlicks.