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Gonegirl Mon 09-Sept-19 11:39:01

... on another thread a poster says she is genuinely afraid of the turmoil we are in re Brexit.

Is it me?

The only think I'm scared of at the moment is the fact that I've got to have a clean and polish at the dentist tomorrow. And other slight bodily disorders. Brexit just never enters into my busy little worry-world. I just feel I am watching with interest from the sidelines.

I have put this under Chat deliberately. Not politics.

Loislovesstewie Mon 09-Sept-19 18:20:57

Of course I am worried. The whole Brexit thing was ill thought out , the referendum was a sop to appease people who might vote UKIP if Cameron didn't do something. He had no back up plan in case the vote was ' leave' , he buggered off to write his memoirs for oodles of £sss like the complete coward he is, rather than stay and assist us in resolving the mess. He didn't stop to think what would happen or attempt to make a back up plan.

We are now in the situation of nobody having a clue about sorting out the mess , we will have to trade under WTO rules and that means tariffs; we don't grow enough food for the country, we don't produce enough of any essential supplies, we don't produce essential medication. In short we are up the creek without a paddle and in a leaky canoe.

So, yes, I am very worried. And please, please can people stop saying we managed before. We are in the 21st century, the world has moved on and we don't have an empire any more .

merlotgran Mon 09-Sept-19 18:14:48

Nobody is suggesting we turn back the clock. That's just silly.

merlotgran Mon 09-Sept-19 18:14:12

I seem to remember that when people couldn't pay their electricity they were cut off until they could.

Family allowance was only paid for the second child onwards.

There are plenty of other examples of how life was much tougher in those days.

Gonegirl Mon 09-Sept-19 18:07:37

1945 actually wasn't fine.

merlotgran Mon 09-Sept-19 17:51:19

It's a selfish point of view and just not good enough.

No it isn't. I was just stating the obvious!

An increase in the population will have contributed to the problems you mention, notentirelyallhere.

notentirelyallhere Mon 09-Sept-19 17:45:45

Well Petra one of my daughters is involved with research into the changeover from petrol and diesel cars which is intended to happen in the UK in 2040 or perhaps 2035. It made me do a quick bit of Googling, is your son in law out of touch?

www.automobilemag.com/news/audi-struggles-turnaround-plan-ev-e-tron-future-product/

Sara65 Mon 09-Sept-19 17:44:15

I know it sounds flippant to say I’m past caring, but I can’t see light at the end of the tunnel, and until I can, I’m just getting on with my own life.

I was a loyal Tory supporter since I could first vote, but I will NEVER vote for them again, and unless there are some massive changes, I probably won’t vote at all, something I never thought I’d hear myself say

Chewbacca Mon 09-Sept-19 17:36:40

I'm concerned about the situation with Brexit but I've got sufficient personal problems of my own to take my mind off it right now. If, and when, I can see a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't an oncoming train, I'll go back to worrying about Brexit.

petra Mon 09-Sept-19 17:32:33

When my Son in law who manages an Audi dealership ( that's cars, not the supermarket) starts to worry I might give it some thought.
As it is, he's not worrying.

notentirelyallhere Mon 09-Sept-19 17:29:41

We had tinned food before we joined the common market didn't we?

Yes, but we didn't have large scale use of food banks, in fact we didn't have food banks at all, or people being fined for having an extra bedroom in their house, or being left for weeks without income because of changes in the benefit system, or people being forced to write endless largely fictitious job applications as a kind of punishment for being unemployed, or unemployed people having benefits withdrawn as punishment for not filling a form in incorrectly.

Why do some on these forums think that the post Brexit world is going to be just like 1945 and that was fine wasn't it. No, it won't be. It's a selfish point of view and just not good enough.

p.s. I agree that there is a lot of apathy as a result of the atrocious handling of the whole post referendum period which is down to Tory party incompetence and internal warfare.

mcem Mon 09-Sept-19 17:24:42

You're right less but, selfishly, that doesn't make it easier to face the previously unheard-of prospect of my own family moving away entirely because of brexit!
I now feel that Scotland's independence is becoming not only inevitable, but more and more desirable.

PamQS Mon 09-Sept-19 17:19:03

I am worried about the potentially destabilising effects in Northern Ireland where my small grandchildren live.

I’m worried about several friends with cancer, who are unsure if their treatment will continue.

I don’t expect people to be worried if nobody they care about is likely to be affected.

Lessismore Mon 09-Sept-19 17:16:05

Yes, never mind. I refer to people at the bottom of the pile and I wonder how they will be affected.. People in squalid rooms, with nothing but a tin of beans. Never mind, really. I am losing the desire to bother.

merlotgran Mon 09-Sept-19 17:13:30

We had tinned food before we joined the common market didn't we?

Lessismore Mon 09-Sept-19 17:11:59

I dunno....I look at people I know who are in a room with no access to a cooker or a fridge, eating tinned food and I just think what will become of them.

Please please do not accuse me of " virtue signalling" because I am not.

Labaik Mon 09-Sept-19 17:04:53

My daughter has contemplated emigrating, too; something that was never on the cards prior to all this.

lemongrove Mon 09-Sept-19 17:02:53

I’m not worried by it either ( the majority on this thread aren’t) and quite rightly.
I ‘ve always thought there could be short term disruption for long term gain.
I understand some concerns, but not the OMG we’re doomed
Comments that frequently appear on GN.

mcem Mon 09-Sept-19 17:02:39

Today for the first time, I'm having to face the prospect that my DS, DiL and new DGS may consider moving away. What might stop them is independence for Scotland.
Too bloody right I'm bothered that this abominable chaos may drive my family away!

Elegran Mon 09-Sept-19 16:58:12

" . . we survived before we joined, so why all the fuss?" The world has changed dramatically all around us since then. Relationships between countries and blocs are not the same as they were then, neither are communications and trading standards and methods.

Eloethan Mon 09-Sept-19 16:47:40

I'm not sure even people who are reasonably financially secure can guarantee they're "all right Jack" and I think many people may potentially be negatively affected in a variety of ways by leaving without a deal.

Yes, I am worried. Not so much for ourselves as I don't suppose we have that many years left and we have a good pension and our own home (although I am very concerned about relying on the US for trade deals and on the possible decline in health and safety and environmental standards).

I am worried for our son's job and his young family's health, education and financial security. And I am worried for the many other working people who may be affected by job losses.

The "gloom and doom brigade" as some of us are so rudely referred to, are perhaps are a little more realistic about this country's ability to magic deals out of the air and protect citizens' living standards - given the total mess this government has made of institutions such as schools, universities, the justice system and the health service. We hardly starting at a high point in our country's history.

Sara65 Mon 09-Sept-19 16:23:27

Well I think if there was a vote between stay, leave, or couldn’t care less, it would be close.

callgirl1 Mon 09-Sept-19 16:20:03

I`m sick to death of hearing about it all. I`m old enough to remember that we survived before we joined, so why all the fuss?

Nonnie Mon 09-Sept-19 15:46:50

Maybe it isn't going to happen. £ has risen against the $ since the vote to stop a no deal. Must mean the markets foresee that possibility.

Sara65 Mon 09-Sept-19 14:19:23

Our business will be affected by brexit, but we just have to get on with it.

eazybee Mon 09-Sept-19 14:13:53

I am very concerned about the current state of British politics, but I have four friends I see regularly who are supremely uninterested in politics, only concerned about their dogs and their grandchildren, ( in that order); other friends who worry about the state of the universe but not their families, and my next-door neighbour who ignores everything but her garden, so:
we are all different.
Thank goodness.