What should they be paid?

MawBroonsback it's very difficult to get an appointment with my hairdresser because a) he's popular and b) he's always off on exotic holidays. I don't tip him now!
Perhaps I should tip my GP, I did get a same day appointment with him

I doubt that nurses are leaving in droves to join the Lidl management scheme as the number of places will be limited.
Aldi pay better!

Not long after becoming a pensioner, I stopped tipping my hairdresser when I heard she had taken her H to Dubai for his 40th birthday. ( not that I have any desire to visit Dubai )

This discussion is rather pointless really; are we comparing graduate pay with that of unskilled or semi-skilled workers?

There are so many variables. A refuse collector may be out in all weathers, like a postman or woman. Presumably they could start a job as refuse collector at 18 and I think that the driver earns more. It's a worthwhile job but people's lives don't depend on him or her.
A GP will do about 10 years of training - much of that at medical school probably acquiring debt.

Doctors, nurses, teachers, other professions will all be on a graded pay scale with the chance to be promoted and earn much higher salaries.

Comparing north and south salaries is pointless too (if there is in fact much difference to the scales - does anyone know?) as the cost of living varies.

It's like comparing apples with pears and also with oranges.

The delay in seeing a GP is not to do with their salary - it is simply that there are too few of them.

My 22 yr old hairdresser bought herself a new Audi TT roadster convertible in May.

holiday a holidays are

I agree harrigran. Their workload now is twice as heavy as it used to be, but their salary doesn't reflect this. Some even had to take a pay cut too which is criminal.

Advocating teachers double pay...? ???
They work a 5 day week, often reduced to 4.5 days due to funding cuts and have access to a better pension than most.
Their starting salary is better than the majority of graduates going into other professions (2019 gov survey) and the minimum days worked are 195/365 meaning that their holiday a are far far more generous than in any other employment.
In the private sector salaries are higher, holidays longer and perks often include on site accomodation.

Whatever pay a nurse gets it is still not enough.

Nurses are leaving their profession for jobs at Lidl who pay nearly £37,000 for a graduate manager against a newly qualified nurse who starts at £23,000. Plus I know that a car is provided too.

This article was in the Nursing Times a year ago where it also stated that there was a chronic shortage of 40,000 nurses.

Here in my town Nurses, police officers , teachers etc. Are some of the very best paid. Most unskilled/semi skilled private sector jobs are minimum wage or thereabouts and we have high unemployment too .

There seems to be a basic lack of understanding that part-time professional jobs are paid pro rata!
Job sharing is popular in teaching and a teacher working two and a half days a week is paid half a salary. Like all teachers, with full of part-time contracts they are not paid overtime for all the extra hours outwith scheduled classroom hours.

janeainsworth, you're right - it was tragic.

I must remember to tell my student medic daughter that she can earn £100k a year for just two or three days work if she becomes a GP. It sounds like a great specialism!

Esme I read Adam Kay’s book too.
I thought it was tragic.
A dedicated junior doctor lost to the NHS because of overwork and poor supervision from senior doctors.

Both actually, and.....

Bin men earn a basic salary of £24,000 to £26,000 a year.
£12 per hour bus drivers
Gardeners (gardeners who know what they are doing, not the ones who just raze everything to the ground and sprinkle some lawn feed) charge £20-40 per hour.

Anecdotes: We paid a gardener £22 an hour when we needed help a couple of years ago.
Our window cleaner charges £14 ( he whizzes through it in about 40 mins.) That’s because he never stops talking?
Our DD pays a cleaner£40 for two hours a week.

lemongrove, sorry did you mean things have improved for junior doctors? Or maybe, with the introduction of the minimum wage, nursery nurses et al get paid decently?

Although junior doctors have always worked extremely hard in hospitals, racing from one patient to the next.

Esme things have moved on since those days regarding rates of pay.

I've just read a brilliantly funny book about the life of a junior doctor (This is going to hurt - diaries of a junior doctor - Adam Kay). It is hilarious as he takes us through all the anecdotes but eye-opening too. He worked out that at one point he was on £6.60 an hour and that the car park meter definitely made more per hour than he did. When you think they are in life and death situations, it is appalling.
I worked in a private nursery many moons ago and was appalled by the rate of pay. And, as a student, I worked in a care home - again, appalling rates of pay and conditions. Seems the most vulnerable in our society recieve the poorest care.

Yes EV I do.

Average wage is £8.51 an hour, according to Google.
I don't consider that a good wage, though it does say it varies from place to place.

You must obviously live down South then Lemongrove !

Nurses and the police are already paid well ( I know as we have both in the family.)