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Jcxx Sun 23-Jun-19 12:39:20

On Wednesday my Mam was visiting us, we had a meal then I noticed a message on my phone. It was from my auntie who I haven't seen in 21 years asking if I knew that my Dad had had major surgery. My Dad is estranged and has not bothered for years. I was absolutely gobsmacked not only because of the message I had just got but because my Mam knew all about it & had known for over a week and has not said a thing. She says she doesn't have or want anything to do with him and they were divorced years ago.
I had to get away from my Mam as I couldn't believe it, I couldn't speak or anything, she was then in denial trying to turn and put things on me.
I just don't understand any of it!!
I then after some time messaged my auntie back. Saying that I didn't know and hope he is ok etc etc. The messages from her went on and on. Basically her trying to get me to go and see him and explaining all the in depth surgery and even offering to pay my trainfare. It came across as though she wanted me there to be there to stay with him cos she didn't want to. Trying to put me on a guilt trip. I said to her that I haven't heard or seen anything from him for years. He hasn't let me know anything about this surgery at all either. She said I need to put things right because he wants to and I explained that there isn't anything to put right. That he never has been interested in me or my kids for a long time and became estranged. I felt I had to keep repeating what I said over and over as she asking the same thing even though I had answered her. Then the things she was saying that apparently he had told her to text where lies and I've heard it all before. She kept messaging and phoning and I tried to ignore it but in the end I started getting pissed off and I just said sorry but it's all aload of bollocks. Then she changed her tune and started to say your dad could have died and you clearly don't want to put things right he does. He has admitted he should have done more and is now trying to make it right. I said I always did 99% then I stopped. Then she said if I don't want to make the effort that's up to me but he does. I said he is no part of our life and that was his choice years ago. My auntie then tried to make out I was stupid and naive then she said at least I can't say he hasn't bothered..the cheek!! I ended up telling her to give it a rest and that she has no clue she wrote I find you very disrespectful and I said I just keep it real.
I have been the last person to know about this last surgery. My Mam has kept things from me but still visited me and me her. Then all this from me dad and aunties side. My head is mashed!!
My dad being estranged is one thing then him having surgery is another my auntie has put the two things together.
I don't understand any of them my Mam?? And My dad, auntie?? Does anyone else.. All honesty appreciated thanks

Esther1 Sun 23-Jun-19 21:27:54

I suspect it will put your mind a little more at ease if you do just see him just for a little while, don’t make a secret of it or let others turn it into a big deal.

Urmstongran Sun 23-Jun-19 21:33:18

I agree with agnurse a sick jerk is still a jerk.
Well said.
And now he only lives 5 miles away.

Be careful opening that can of worms.
He made a choice. He should live with it.

I feel sorry for your mum if you bit her head off.

Jcxx Sun 23-Jun-19 22:45:17

Who lives 5 miles away?? Bit her head off?? Did you even read my story

Urmstongran Sun 23-Jun-19 22:54:34

Sorry Jcxx it was sharon103’s ex who lived 5 miles away.
I read all the posts then that must’ve stuck in my head.

You did seem annoyed with your mum though (and I wasn’t the only poster to pick up on it).

Good luck anyway, whatever you decide to do.

Summerlove Sun 23-Jun-19 23:33:42

gonegirl, neither do young people. Anyone could pass at any moment. That’s why people of all ages should reach out to those they want to be in touch with.

I wasn’t aware that I could only call or text people older than me first. My phone is obviously broken

agnurse Mon 24-Jun-19 00:26:13

gonegirl

Summerlove is quite correct. No one is guaranteed a set amount of time.

If OP's father has chosen not to be part of her life, then he doesn't have a right to expect that he will become a part of her life just because he had a health scare.

Jcxx Mon 24-Jun-19 01:02:11

Urmstrongran: There was nothing to pick up on. I clearly explained that I was shocked and upset

Summerlove Mon 24-Jun-19 01:35:45

jcxx I’m sorry, it wasn’t clear, I’m still very confused why you are mad at your mother

Jcxx Mon 24-Jun-19 02:10:48

I was with my Mam when I received the message from my Auntie about my Dad. That's when I then found out she also new. As I see her and spend time with her for her too hold information, I just don't understand. I would never do that to my children

BradfordLass72 Mon 24-Jun-19 06:02:20

Jcxx Here's my 2 cents worth. grin

It sounds as if this elderly guy, who hasn't cared about anyone but himself for 21 years, now wants someone to take care of him - and you're the next on on the list after auntie and Mam, neither of whom, quite justifiably wants anything to do with him.

There may be shared DNA but this man isn't your father and has chosen not to be your father until he's in dire straights.

If I were in your shoes I would not be swayed by sob stories from him or anyone else.
Mam has the right idea, he's the past and hasn't earned your respect, your care or your attention.

He's just a selfish, narcissistic old man and they never change. He's absolutely NOT your responsibility. Don't be sucked in.

Daisymae Mon 24-Jun-19 09:11:23

I can understand how you feel so angry and upset that you have been left out of the loop. Then your aunt pressurising you to contact your dad. This is all very raw and things will calm down. Don't make contact if you feel it would have a negative impact, going by your past experience. Sometimes it is better to let things go. After all your aunt had not felt the need to get in touch for over two decades. I suspect that you are right and she wants you to share the responsibility. Perhaps talk things through with your mum, an honest and open conversation may clear the air.

harrigran Mon 24-Jun-19 09:22:46

BradfordLass has just written exactly what I would say.
If you were not needed or wanted in the last 20+ years but now you are, smacks of needing a carer.

Summerlove Mon 24-Jun-19 12:05:15

Ok, so you were angry your aunt told you, and angry your mother didn’t tell you.

I say this kindly, but it might be time to look into a therapist to help you sort out your justifiably mixed up emotions.

I wish you luck

Meeyoo Mon 24-Jun-19 13:00:40

Any port in a storm...

Meeyoo Mon 24-Jun-19 13:02:39

No atheist in a foxhole etc
This is just a strategy, tactics, he wants to draw you in because he needs you now but when you needed him he didn't want to know
It's all about his needs, in his mind you are there to serve them

Jcxx Mon 24-Jun-19 13:11:42

Summerlove: I have asked for people's opinions. After reading what you have to say please stop. You have repeated yourself over and over with nonsense. Just because I've asked for opinions does not in anyway mean I need a therapist.

yggdrasil Mon 24-Jun-19 16:20:13

That sounds like my ex. He estranged himself from our daughter by his behaviour. I know nothing about his situation, nor do I want to. Our son may be in touch with him.
My sister-in-law has nearly always tried to see the best in he brother, but he has behaved badly to her too, so she too has given up.
If I did know something, I might tell my daughter, but I am pretty certain she would do nothing about it. She has more sense.

Gonegirl Mon 24-Jun-19 16:24:51

Summerlove your post of Sun 23-Jun-19 23:33:42. Why so sarcastic? hmm

Bridgeit Mon 24-Jun-19 16:34:31

Sorry but I cannot see how Summerlove was being sarcastic.?

Bridgeit Mon 24-Jun-19 16:36:52

Just shows how easy for words to be interrupted or misinterpreted especially when we don’t know each other & we don’t have visual clues .

Bibbity Mon 24-Jun-19 16:46:30

I wouldn’t blame your mum here. She, I assume, hasn’t had contact with this man who up and left her to raise two children alone in decades. I’d probably also ignore it. She’s not a messenger. Anyone who wanted to speak to you directly first was free to do so. She doesn’t have to put herself through whatever happened again after all this time.

Any decision you make has to be your own.
But personally i agree with Pp. he was a jerk 20 years ago when he left you. He didn’t care about you or your life but now he needs something suddenly he’s released his flying monkeys on you.

Everything you are and have today was achieved without him. What positives would he bring to your life?
What can he give? How can he make up for what he has already done?

Some people don’t have many years left on the clock. And that’s not always a bad thing.

Jcxx Mon 24-Jun-19 16:49:04

Bridget: I did not say summerlove was being sarcastic. Summerlove said it to me !

Bridgeit Mon 24-Jun-19 16:59:40

Ohhps sorry I did not think you were being sarcastic Jcxx

Jcxx Mon 24-Jun-19 17:34:03

Sorry I got mixed up with posts

Summerlove Mon 24-Jun-19 19:06:28

I asked questions because I genuinely didn’t understand why you were angry with your mother.

I suggested therapy, not as a punishment or because you are lacking, But because it would be hard to hear that somebody who is supposed to love you and who had abandoned you who is now reaching out via other people to get you to be his care of her. There would be killed with that for most people, and I was thinking a therapist could help you sort it out. You said yourself that your head was mashed. I was not trying to be unkind.

I was however a little sarcastic with gonegirl and her suggestion that young people Should be the ones reaching out to older people because they might die soon, and not vice versa. I find that a ridiculous statement.