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DoraMarr Sat 01-Jun-19 09:31:42

Now, I can take or leave the royal family, but I can see that it might be difficult for Harry to have tea with Donald Trump next week, given that he called Meghan “nasty” in an interview with the Sun. Does he go and accord Trump some degree of politeness commensurate with his position as President of The US, can he shake his hand and engage in small talk like he would with any other visiting head of state, or does he treat him to a frosty silence, or turn his back on him, or not go at all and risk a diplomatic incident?

SaraC Mon 03-Jun-19 01:47:56

Hi Merlotgran - was thinking about you last week and wondering how things are with you. Xx

Day6 Sun 02-Jun-19 23:28:57

It may have been mentioned already, but Meghan doesn't have to meet Trump or indeed any other dignitary as she is on maternity leave. Harry could be on paternity leave in that case. It might be a very convenient opt out for both of them.

BradfordLass72 Sun 02-Jun-19 22:54:00

Exactly what sort of 'diplomatic incident' is envisaged if Harry doesn't attend ?

A wall across Brixton?

Trump and Prince Phillip having a High Noon moment
with Smith & Wesson .38 revolvers in the Mall?

Or will the royals no longer be able to visit the USA unless they can prove they have valid passports and work permits? I wish him luck on that one grin

Even if massive protocols are breached, the worst that can happen is that that diplomats of each country will talk to one another, 'in the strictest terms' over a double whisky. wine

Tillybelle Sun 02-Jun-19 22:48:07

Anniebach. Anne is my favourite royal, well, maybe = with the Queen! Actually I like Prince Phillip too. He's really funny and not like the press make him out to be. Well...
Anyway, Anne is one of the best ever,- she does her own work, writes her own speeches, goes out to her charities and sees what they are doing. She's a really hard working down to earth British girl! Although she does not seek it, I think she deserves so much more recognition than she gets.

Tillybelle Sun 02-Jun-19 22:39:23

Marilla. That is a good point. Extremely good point.

I am not sure, but I think the Queen is almost obliged to entertain the Heads of State of certain places when they visit isn't she?

I thought the Government just organised it all and she was landed with the "entertaining" or hand-shaking. Once the Government have decided something the Queen is not supposed to show any political views. For all we know she might secretly wish she could vote for Jeremy Corbin!!!

Tillybelle Sun 02-Jun-19 22:30:41

OPgrndtr. That is very generous of you! But please do not feel we judge you all as crazy Trump lovers! We know the election was a terrible shock to a great many Americans. We know too that the USA is like several Countries bound together and that some parts are so incredibly different from others it is impossible to believe they are in the same country! In fact even the little UK is very diverse!

But it makes me so very sad that you feel you need to apologise to us. We are your friends - we are deeply in sympathy with the people who are distressed by the election of Mr Trump. We are holding on with you hoping it will not be too long before he goes!

Also, we really can't boast about the line-up we have at the top right now! If Boris the Oaf is elected, for me it's the end of Britain. I have found myself not proud to be British for the first time in 69 years. It really hurts. It is time to make a list of priorities and start working on sorting them out.

I am sooooo fed-up with politics at the moment!

Anniebach Sun 02-Jun-19 22:23:42

True Grandmama and the IRA had murdered her husband’s much loved uncle who was loved by the royals

OPgrndtr Sun 02-Jun-19 21:38:01

Please allow an American Gran to apologize for POTUS and his large publicity seeking family. Just as you have said the UK should not have to pay for all of their Security. As Americans we dislike paying for all of their travel on a regular basis. Please forgive our nation for electing such an ill-mannered, self centered individual.
Best wishes to the Royal Family.

Grandmama Sun 02-Jun-19 21:22:58

The Queen managed to dine with Martin McGuinness and shake his hand.

Florence64 Sun 02-Jun-19 18:04:15

Hopefully Harry has a prior engagement, Prince Philip will attend the tea party and we can all be flies on the wall...

Marilla Sun 02-Jun-19 17:54:56

While most of us do not like President Trump regarding his policies, outrageous statements and behaviour, the Queen and members of the Royal family have entertained several nasty dictators or individuals in the UK who have disregarded human rights and democracy. These are just four:
President Bashar al-Assad
Robert Mugabe
The Sultan of Brunei
Mobutu Sese Seko (Democratic Rep of the Congo).
At least President Trump was voted in by the citizens of the USA.

Anniebach Sun 02-Jun-19 17:38:21

I wish someone would tell Trump and America, Megan is not a princess she is a duchess, if Harry hadn’t been given the title Sussex when he married she would be Princess Henry, doubt she would have liked that ?

Anniebach Sun 02-Jun-19 17:33:49

Anne is a daughter of the Monach, Harry a Grandson, Anne has always carried out many, many public duties, Harry no

Annecan Sun 02-Jun-19 17:29:00

It’s Harrys duty...man up.. don’t cower to Megan’s virtue signalling
Trump just responded to an interviewer who asked did you know she called you a mysoginist and divisive. Trump said I didn’t know she was that nasty. He didn’t call her nasty. So once again the media twist the facts
I don’t like the guy.. but we should be told all the facts, not have information twisted to make headlines

Annecan Sun 02-Jun-19 17:22:49

Toual? Should read Royal

Annecan Sun 02-Jun-19 17:22:04

Completely agree Nanaval4G. She’s completely lacking in dignity, just a gold digger with a big mouth. Harry has a duty to perform as a Toual. No doubt the queen has had to be polite to many nasty individuals so it shouldn’t be a trial for Harry to show the office of president of the United States the respect it deserves

Tillybelle Sun 02-Jun-19 16:24:12

grumppa. I held her pony once. I was trying to get her title right and she said "For heaven's sake, call me Anne!"

Tillybelle Sun 02-Jun-19 16:22:14

I'd like to quote some brilliant comments please:

sandelf "we don't stoop to reacting."
and
Anniebach "The media is stirring things up"

and please read:-
NannyC2 on Sun 02-Jun-19 16:00:34. who explains that

Megan said very harsh things on the Larry Wilmore show in 2016 about Mr Trump to which he said he did not know she was so nasty - presumably referring to the comments i.e. I did not know she was so nasty in saying those things. Then he said "I hope she will be OK.."

But come what may, I believe Prince Harry will be dignified and receive his honoured guest, who represents the USA, with a warm British welcome.

Tillybelle Sun 02-Jun-19 16:06:57

Callistemon. Thank you, well said.

grumppa Sun 02-Jun-19 16:05:28

Has anyone called Anne "a minor royal" to her face?

Tillybelle Sun 02-Jun-19 16:03:24

DoraMarr. I don't follow the Royal Family but this is a really good question!

I'm sure I remember Michelle Obama saying that if someone insults or hurts you, then "Go higher." In other words, don't go down to their level and argue back in their terms, but be gracious and hold your head up so that they cannot pull you down.

I imagine this to be a modern way of describing an aspect of duty. I agree that The Queen has to be polite to all who are presented to her no matter what they might be like. She represents our Country. In this situation, Prince Harry also represents The United Kingdom and I'd like to see him "go higher" and show that we are gracious and do not stoop to shameful personal public insults and neither do they affect us when others try to hurt us with them. We know ourselves well enough. That is all that matters.

NannyC2 Sun 02-Jun-19 16:00:34

Taken out of context!
What was reported was....

Speaking on "The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore" in 2016, Markle called Trump misogynistic and said his politics are divisive, saying she would move to Canada if he won the presidency.
Trump responded, "I didn't know that she was nasty. I hope she is OK. ..." He seemed to bury the hatchet saying, "I am sure she will go excellently (as a royal). She will be very good.

varian Sun 02-Jun-19 15:52:11

The Speaker, Cable and Corbyn, will all, I'm sure, take part in honouring our wartime dead. None of them want to honour Donald Trump who should never have been invited to a state visit so early in his presidency and at a time when our country is in chaos, not helped by him or by his Russian sponsor. I'm sure many or us feel sorry for Her Majesty, who apparently has no choice but to play hostess to some pretty dreadful people.

jen53 Sun 02-Jun-19 15:49:21

I’m sure Harry will take great pleasure in being the bigger person. He’ll be polite but won’t engage in any personal conversation. It would be too easy to take that man (for want of a better word) down to China town (as they say) but he’s not worth the effort. Harry will do his diplomatic duty will do the Queen.

Anniebach Sun 02-Jun-19 15:41:45

He didn’t insult the wife, he said what she had said was nasty

The media is stirring things up by keeping on and on.

The man is here to honour the dead , pity the Speaker, Cable, Corbyn can’t do the same.