a man’s internal feeling that he is a woman has no basis in material reality?

I am a woman and I don't feel redefined.

Its not about a feeling. Thats kind of the point.

Its about the practical implications...

It errodes progress in sex descrimination and gender sterootypes.

On a scale of how self ID affects me and my daughters personally, I would say less than Climate change and more than Brexit.

I am a woman and I don't feel redefined.

I AM personally affected by self ID. It re-defines women!!

The very people who have chosen careers in trans support services are concerned with recent developments in trans ideology Varian. Transpeople are campaigning against self ID. Explain that Varian if you think that being gender critical cannot = supporting non conforming individuals!

Everybody, male or female, or whatever, can comment on these issues, but I can't help wondering why someone not personally affected could possibly get so agitated about them. I know this may be a hot topic in certain popular newspapers, but most readers would just move on.

Being accepting of transpeople is not actually mutually exclusive with being gender critical or anti self ID, now why do you assume it is Varian?

If self ID just affected transwomen, they could crack on with it varian. Those beauticians werent trans buy self ID sure as is affecting them. Did you read the words linked above of the person who used self ID to target them Varian? If so how can you think that women arent qualified to be concerned about people like that?

Most of us GNetters are women. Some of us do know trans people but just accept them. Why do you suppose you have become so wound up about this?

I have personal experience of being a woman, varian. And don't appreciate men telling women that they know better about the experience of being a women than women do!

Oh but if a lesbian is "triggered" by the idea of sucking dick. That's not cool, or inclusive, apparently.....

notanan2 you have obviously spent a lot of time reading about this issue. Do you have personal experience of being transgender or having a transgender person amongst your family or friends?

Oh trans periods are real apparently. The only thing missing is blood.

So cool that these transwomen get to tell us how wrong we were all along about what a period is and how it feels. Progress & inclusion kidz!!

I still can't get my head round why a trans woman with male genitalia would ask a beautician

They didnt ask A beautician... they targeted many female beauticians who offered ladies only intimate waxing services

Lady dick: there are helpful tutorials online telling lesbians how to suck dick whilst pretending it's not a dick so as not to "trigger" the dick owners dysphoria. Some from relatively mainstream advice sources

not he "they" apologies

notanan - I've read your links and found the one pertaining to the predatory transwoman very disturbing, particularly the way that person appears to fetishisize women, their periods and how deeply worrying that is when it pertains to pubescent girls who he wants to be in a communal loo with. I know I'd be confident and old enough to fight my corner but I'd hate my young granddaughter, or indeed any young girl to be put into such an awkward scenario. Whilst I appreciate that the majority of trans women won't be of this ilk, nevertheless this person displays dangerous behaviour to women and particularly children. This is the growing disquiet, I and many others are feeling.

I still can't get my head round why a trans woman with male genitalia would ask a beautician, who makes it clear she does "Brazilian" waxes, on well I can't say a real women anymore, but natal women only, and then try and sue them if they refuse, surely that's their prerogative in what I would regard a free country Canada

I would really like to understand what a "lady dick" is but I can't sorry, it's too contradictory, and did I read it right they alluded in one of the threads to their "heavy period" how come,???? what orifice would the period come out of and where would that person insert their tampon sorry to be blunt but is it incumbent on all of us to acknowledge biological untruths now?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6897269/Workers-transgender-clinic-quit-concerns-unregulated-live-experiments-children.html

"Five whistleblowing workers at the only NHS transgender clinic in Britain have quit over fears children as young as three are going through unnecessary gender reassignment treatment.

The clinicians from the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic based in London and Leeds left over concerns children were being incorrectly diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

It was feared some gay children struggling with their sexual identity are being incorrectly diagnosed as transgender.

Specialists also worried that some of the youngsters were being referred and pressured into having gender change treatment after suffering homophobic bullying.

All five former staff members were part of the team deciding if youngsters should be given hormone blockers to stop their development before puberty, according to the Times.

Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic in London. Five workers quit over concerns about the number of children being given gender change treatment+4
Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic in London. Five workers quit over concerns about the number of children being given gender change treatment
The patients then take a course of cross-sex hormones at the age of 16 depending on whether they want to develop as male or female.

At least 18 staff have reportedly quit the controversial clinic over the past three years, citing fears not enough checks are being done to correctly diagnose child patients.

One of the five whistleblowers even said the only reason many stayed in their post was to prevent more children from having the treatment. Referrals to the clinic risen in recent years, with 94 in 2010, rising to 2,519 by last year, with the youngest patient aged just three.

One of the clinicians told The Times: 'I felt for the last two years what kept me in the job was the sense there was a huge number of children in danger.

'I was there to protect children from being damaged.'

Experts fear the treatments are being given without exploring the underlying reason for the children's confusion over their sexuality.

The Tavistock Gender Identity Development Clinic in north London has an 'inability to stand up to pressure' from campaigners and parents demanding fast-track transitions, its own clinicians have said in February+4
The Tavistock Gender Identity Development Clinic in north London has an 'inability to stand up to pressure' from campaigners and parents demanding fast-track transitions, its own clinicians have said in February
An Oxford professor said the treatments were 'unregulated live experiments on children' with some diagnosis not supported by any evidence.

Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre of Evidence-based Medicine at Oxford University, told The Times: 'Given paucity of evidence, the off-label use of drugs [for outcomes not covered by the medicine's licence] in gender dysphoria treatment largely means an unregulated live experiment on children.'

GIDS, which is part of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, denied these claims and insisted careful diagnoses were made in these complex cases.

A spokesman told the Times: 'It is only in recent years that the number of young people attending specialist services worldwide has dramatically increased.

'Prior to this the numbers have been small and it has therefore been difficult to collect sufficient evidence to fully evaluate treatment pathways."

In case they were missed, here are a few I "made earlier". But google cotton ceiling yourself. Type "detransition" into youtube for yourself etc. I'm not asking anyone to take my word for it

www.objectnow.org/news/2019/4/28/lesbians-dont-have-penises

www.transgendertrend.com/letter-to-young-trans-people/

mirandayardley.com/en/when-a-transsexual-is-prosecuted-for-transgender-hate-crime/

www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Miranda Yardley is a transwoman but is clear about factually being male and is happy with the pronouns 'he' & 'him' etc.

I have posted link after link from gay and trans people themselves explaining the problems with self ID and trans ideology, yet the Kool aide is strong and posters still see gender critcal people like myself as anti LGBT bigots..... but I am the one reading transpeoples own words on the matter, I am reading what lesbians say about the cotton ceiling, I am reading detransitioners stories, I am reading accounts from transvestites and autogynephiles with trans kinks who anger trans activists just for admitting that they exist!

Its the same mentality as incels. Such rage against women and they can't just leave us be!

at odds

For a while, self ID trans activists had people convinced that they just wanted what the rest of the LGBT community campaign for, and what kind of ass would oppose that?

But the veil is slipping. Thats not what's going on.

In my younger years I spent a lot of time with gays, lesbians, transsexuals and crossdressers. No-one showed this horrible anger towards women

They still don't. Lots of lesbians and transvestites etc are on the gender critical side of this too. Miranda Yardly who I linked just a few posts back for her blog exposing JY, is a transwomen herself. A gender critical one who opposes self ID.

Self ID and trans ideology is add odds with many members of the LGBT community!

I am really shocked at how far the hostility to women being expressed by transwomen.
They sound like people who don't actually like women. So why do they want to identify as women?
In my younger years I spent a lot of time with gays, lesbians, transsexuals and crossdressers. No-one showed this horrible anger towards women just for liking women.

Am wondering what it is all about.

i am another woman that wanted to be a boy when I was a child. I even had a boys name for myself. But as I went into adolescence I became a not very feminine woman and then a mother and I know I am a woman and one that doesn't conform to the feminine stereotype and I do not like to see children pushed towards transitioning.
I think some of us are gender fluid as children and then when hormones kick things sort them selves out.
Also my daughter went through a similar experience and is now happily mother to five children.
Why can't we just let people be? And stop putting people into boxes.

Get the L Out new research LESBIANS AT GROUND ZERO revealed that lesbians are routinely being coerced into sexual relations with transwomen.
The report includes findings of a survey which shows lesbians are under huge pressure within GBT communities to accept without question that “transwoman are women.”
Lesbians who responded to the survey reported a wide variety of sexual violence by transwomen, including sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape.

www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research/lesbians-at-ground-zero.html

Get The L Out is an organisation which says that there is no longer an LGBT community as the rights of lesbians are being overridden, so it is now a GBT community.