ISIS girl

well, it appeared to have been useless anyway PECS. I seriously doubt that anyone, with such fixed ideologies as a supporter of beheadings, murders, rapes and terrorism, can be changed. Best to leave them where they are.

Chewbacca it was a dreadful training programme. Full of all sorts of blatantly stereotypical characters and useless in helping to spot a covert white supremacist or religious fanatic!
I would hope those carrying out any debriefing . de-radicalisation programmes were doing so more effectively than those who prepared the training for 'professionals' !

Why shouldn't she look well fed and healthy? She has been in the refugee camp a month at least, which means she will have been eating nourishing food regularly throughout that time and receiving ante and post-natal care.

Her children died while she was still living in the Caliphate, a caliphate that was shrinking by the day and constantly under bombardment. Food and medicine was in very short supply.

Though how you can tell anything about someone's state of nourishment when they are wearing that all enveloping black garment, it is difficult to know.

There is a very interesting item on the BBC news site called an Extremist in the Family. www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-acfd761e-0dff-46f7-87a4-96cec7824254. It is a thought provoking piece and shows how difficult it is for families to cope with a child that is quietly being groomed by an extremist group.

Though how you can tell anything about someone's state of nourishment when they are wearing that all enveloping black garment, it is difficult to know.
Precisely. She seems to have recovered remarkably well if she only gave birth a couple of days ago.
Perhaps the baby is keeping her awake, although it does seem asleep whenever she is interviewed.

Maybe your right M0nica, but my attention was drawn to how well nourished and healthy SB looks, despite her child having died of malnutrition, by a reired medic on this forum who. And I think that a medic might be able to spot someone who has endured such a poor diet that their child succumbed to it. But look how healthy and glowing she is now! And after just a month in a refugee camp where fresh food and vitamins wouldn't be in plentiful supply! And just days after giving birth in such privations too. Impressive.

I'm not sure how plentiful and nourishing the food in a refugee camp is!
If you have had any dealings with anyone who has been delivering aid to refugee camps in Syria or Turkey for the last several years you would know that.

Some camps are like small towns - but many are not.

If she came back I am sure when she first came out of Syria she would be offered a medical in case she needed treatment for any medical condition. It always happens to those coming out of hostage situations - John Waite, John McCarthy - she would be no different. A medical would show whether she had recently given birth and a the baby would almost certainly be given a DNA test. She has absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by any pretence at this stage.

And lets face it, what would anyone have to gain by it? She is just one of about a dozen British ISIS wives there. She is only in the news because she spoke to the Times reporter. I expect that any of the British brides would have been as useful to him . He was looking for a story and needed an English speaking refugee. I doubt if he cared who she was.

She is of no propaganda value, that has clearly been shown over the last week with all the stupid counterproductive statements this silly woman has made and no monetary value either. The camp itself is run by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and ISIS has no value for women anyway, they are expendable, they have no interest in her.

I have a video of a woman sent to me by a friend, trying to bake bread for her children over a fire of sticks in a refugee camp - this is what Shamima Begum and her like have brought to these people.
Not to forget Assad and his campaign against his own people of course.

I doubt that 15 years of being brought up in the UK has given her any idea of how to make and bake bread over a fire.

My heart bleeds for her Jalima. Not.

She is not a hostage. She did not go there as a missionary/reporter/aid worker to help people.

The camp itself is run by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
so she is OK to be left there pro tem.

1 hour ago on Sky News:

"^She told Sky News she wants British politicians to re-evaluate her^ case with 'more mercy in their hearts'.

Would that be the same amount of mercy that SB and her IS chums showed the Manchester Arena victims? Parsons Green victims? Bataclan victims? The hundreds of innocent people who were beheaded?

Do you know what I am sick to death of her!!!

Seriously I couldn’t give one fuck what happens to her.

My heart does to all the beautiful young girls, boys and parents killed in Manchester, London, Paris, Berlin, Tunisia etc. Sod her just sod her.

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I'm with you there Mycat.

I wonder if she ever hugs that " baby ?"

Not sure hugs are what isis does EllanVannin

I too feel utter disbelief and confusion at her choices, apparent attitudes and general demeanour. Her seeming dismissal of the horrors carried out in the name if ISIS is shocking.

I have no idea what is the safest way to deal with this young woman and her child. Instinctively I think she should return and face whatever laws are applicable. She needs to face the legal consequences of her actions. She is already experiencing the emotional, personal and physical consequences. I suspect the enormity is just beginning to dawn.

Once you start dehumanising the 'enemy' you are in danger of brutalising yourself. She is still a human being. She seems to have been able to think of other s as less than human. I do not want to be like her.
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Mycatisahacker, my turn to entirely agree with you.

To misquote a rhyme about George IV's wife.

Shamima Begum we you implore
to go away and speak no more
But if that effort be to great
To go away at any rate.

She will be comforted by Corbyn’s statement

His views on human rights tend to change depending who the human being is.

Those who are castigating this young woman on every aspect of her life should look at what happens to child soldiers, her experiences are very similar. Of course she went voluntarily but she was 15 and therefore a child. She was then exposed to levels of violence few adults could survive without trauma. So all of her comments could be the result of what she has witnessed. It would take a great deal more investigation to know exactly what her real views are and what is a result of damage. As for the baby and it not moving. Culturally babies in that area are usually swaddled- wrapped very tightly in cloths. The theory is it makes the child feel safer. My mother could do something similar with a shawl, when she wrapped a baby in it, it stayed wrapped. I never managed to master it. When I did it the child always managed to get an arm free.

Has she never heard the saying when in a hole, stop digging

However much we all may abhor the attitude and actions of this girl, the fact remains that it is against international law to make someone stateless, which is the situation if her British nationality is removed.
I think we all should consider very carefully if we want to go down the path of disregarding laws because they present us with unpleasant consequences

I agree on the swaddling , I swaddled my babies after birth,

But not the head surely?

Well, she's running out of options. Bangladesh has said that they don't want her under any circumstances. Her husband's country have said that they won't have her either; with or without her child and husband. The majority of the UK don't want her. What's the betting that, as the days go by and she realises what a pickle she's got herself into; she'll recant on IS and have a total change of stance? Who'd be in her shoes?

My guess is she will be back whether we want her or not . She will be offered newspaper interviews and a book deal and will undoubtedly appear on one of the morning shows . All this while nicely settled in her new home .