ISIS girl

Apparently SB has been having contractions. I heard this on the radio.

Iam & PECS I probably didn't express myself very well, I was thinking in terms of where this girl is and where she will give birth. Presumably surrounded by ISIS and others. Not sure she is doing anything from her own culture any more.

Jane this thread has some vile intemperant out of all proportion posts on it re SB and her family and what should happen to her. Once that type of post is coupled with in some cases the information being plain wrong and in case libellous, why is it surprising that they provoke strong responses? Why no criticism of those posts then? Why just me ......hummmm?

Mycatisahacker I feel that some people would say your stance on circumcision was anti-semetic because it is such an intrinsic part of being a Jewish male. (&Muslim)
Judaism & anti-Semitism is a very interesting situation. Jewish people can be from different racial groups but are also considered a race and a religion combined... even for secular Jews. It does seem equitable to put the anti Islamic rhetoric on the same footing.

There has been criticism of posts and apologise.

Maybe you should apologise too.

Presumably surrounded by ISIS and others

But presumably with people in charge of the refugee camp and at least there should be someone able to be in attendance and help at the birth.

Unlike some of the other Syrian refugees and Yazidi women. Let us not forget them.

PECS if we condemn FGM outright surely we should also condemn circumcision outright too, unless of course there is a medical reason for it? Is FGM religious or cultural?

This is all over the show! FGM......isn't the F for female?

A hideous thing carried out mainly in West Africa.

I don't think it is part of Islamic culture in Syria?

With all due respect FGM is practiced more widely than some have mentioned and countries such as Pakistan, India, Syria, Iraq do have recorded evidence this is so. It not as prevalent as the African Continent but it does exist.

There was a story that ISIS were demanding FGM be inflicted but there has been doubt cast on this. However that is not to say FGM has not been adopted, who knows.

PECS

I know but I think the best way forward is to keep it simple.

Mutilating a child is wrong. End of. No FGM and no circumsicion unless the adult decides that’s what they want at 18! Without anaesthetic! Wonder how much take up that would be.

Race and religion are not combined and should not be viewed that way in this country in my view.

The practice is most common in the western, eastern, and north-eastern regions of Africa, in some countries the Middle East and Asia, as well as among migrants from these areas. FGM is therefore a global concern.31 Jan 2018

nonnie agree both are child abuse and should not be tolerated here.

Religious customs have no rights to abuse anyone be that children or women.

That’s why I think it’s vital to be able to criticise religion customs and practise without being called racist.

Allowing religions agency is bloody dangerous and let’s face it always for women and children as religion is generally about control

It could be argued that circumcision is carried out in certain countries for health reasons, particularly in tropical climates. It is not just practised by people of the Jewish faith, indeed, I know of cases where it has been advised on medical grounds.

There is absolutely no excuse or reason for FGM.

It still comes down to anybody who joined or fought for ISIS whether they be man, woman or child has done so by using or knowing of the barbaric methods ISIS use, CRUCIFIXION, BEHEADING, SLAVERY, RAPE, TORTURE.

The fact so many like Begum are denying taking part, didn't see it happen is pure fantasy.

If SB is in labour, I can only hope that there are medical personnel in the camp, and she and her unborn child are given the appropriate care.

Doesn't change my opinion of the threat she poses to the security of UK citizens if she is repatriated.

Jamilia

Absolutely in medical grounds under anaesthetic and for good reason.

No other excuse. Not climate or religion.

Agree no absolutely no reason for FGM except barbarity and we must oppose barbarity from any faith or custom.

Apparently she has been rushed to hospital - so will probably receive better care than she would have done in Baghouz.

I wonder why the German wives of SS officers all living in the concentration camps were not put in trial after the war?

Oh I didn’t know/didn’t see/was controlled/groomed.... I am just a woman! I am a mother!!!

Evil knows no gender

Of course she will Jalima now that she is the focus of media attention. Wonder what would have happened if she wasn't?

I knew a boy who was circumcised for medical reasons, he was about 9 at the time and it was done in hospital. No excuse for doing it any other way or just because of religion. Many religious beliefs are based upon the way life was 2000 years ago and not appropriate now.

I think it is a great pity the Times found her in the first place . There would have been to debate then .

Floradora9 I am deeply suspicious that The Times found her, I think she made her whereabouts known to the people who were escorting the journalist.

With the thousands of women in burkas and niqabs and the passage of time, how was he able to "identify" SB, amongst the many?

I think condoning child abuse in the name of religion custom or practise should obviously be banned under UK law.

Such blindness leads to abuse in Rotherham and in Rome.

She will now be part of a media circus frenzy and its abhorrent.

Off to remember the beautiful innocent 15 year old girls killed in Manchester. They deserve our compassion for what they will never have.

She doesn’t

I see that one of maryeliza post, bullying Starbird has been deleted by GNHQ.
Good......

Being deleted doesn’t make it less true

OH back up please! What on earth is the connection between FGM and grooming gangs in Rotherham?

I think bullying is a sustained and personal attack isn't it? Not disagreeing with somebody?