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Missfoodlove Mon 04-Feb-19 21:10:55

In my home city there is a 21 year old female student missing now for 4 days.
It is heartbreaking and I am praying for her safe return.
It got me thinking that we have the technology to chip every newborn so we could always be able to locate our baby, toddler, young adult.
Is this something that should be routinely done?
Is it a step too far?
Would you do it?

Jalima1108 Wed 06-Feb-19 22:15:24

How would these people you mention have access to a National DNA Database B9exchange? confused

Jalima1108 Wed 06-Feb-19 22:16:46

How could it be used in any of the scenarios you mention? confused

Gaggi3 Wed 06-Feb-19 22:26:57

Some years ago friend's mother, who had Alzheimer's, went missing and was eventually found, after a couple of days, in bad shape. Some form of tracking for her could have saved a lot of worry and distress.

dizzyblonde Wed 06-Feb-19 22:42:18

* GabriellaG54* Thank you so much, your attitude makes my job as a paramedic so much harder as I then have to take care of children whose parents do not care.I have so much more respect for parents who come our, apologise to us and take their offspring home to face the music in the morning.
I have absolutely no respect for parents who have attitudes such as yours.

MissAdventure Wed 06-Feb-19 22:49:20

I wouldn't mind my dna being kept somewhere, just in case.
Surely its just as risky to send off for a dna thingy on ancestry or similar sites?

Granless Wed 06-Feb-19 22:55:17

GabriellaG54 - gosh you are a hard nut. Definition of parent is carer.

Gonegirl Wed 06-Feb-19 23:00:55

Gabriella I find a location tracker on phone very useful when family coming to dinner. I can see when to put the greens on.

Oh, and it's good to know that son's journey long journey home is progressing well after he visits me.

Gonegirl Wed 06-Feb-19 23:02:47

I'm amazed that you wouldn't want to know if one of your offspring was in trouble just because they've acted stupidly. What about unconditional love?

Gonegirl Wed 06-Feb-19 23:04:58

Crossed posts Granless. grin

GabriellaG54 Thu 07-Feb-19 02:25:07

dizzyblonde
Not just kids, I was talking about an adult 'child' not a teenager. An AC in their early 20s. Why should I apologise to anyone for their behaviour? My apologising stopped when they left school and started work. Anyone over the age of 18 is deemed an adult and responsible for themselves. I'm not a backstop. My love for my family AC, CG and GGC means that I taught them all about actions and consequences and they are responsible for anything they themselves cause.
I've been a teen and twenty year old and never had to have recourse to my parents bailing me out of a mess because I never got into a mess in the first place. It isn't a rite of passage you know. It's not mandatory to get drunk and have your parents pick up the pieces and apologise on their behalf. Not in my book it isn't.
It's all about choice.

GabriellaG54 Thu 07-Feb-19 02:30:22

Each to his own Gonegirl
I never have location finder on, on my phone. Ever.
As for knowing when to put 'the greens' on. I should imagine that visitors don't want the plates slapped down the minute they walk through the door and 'greens only take a few minutes...unless you cook them to death.

GabriellaG54 Thu 07-Feb-19 02:40:56

Granless
Not into adulthood. Otherwise what are we teaching them? Self reliance? Social and self responsibility? Awareness?
I was taught that you make a ship sturdy enough and with all the proper equipment to navigate the seas of life. If you do your job well, the ship will not sink and will happily carry others.
I wonder what other people's AC would think if Grandma or pa got drunk and needed paramedic intervention. We were kids once and we, my siblings and I, never brought any trouble home as there was never trouble to bring. I respected my parents too much to give them grief.

dizzyblonde Thu 07-Feb-19 06:25:59

My adult children have never needed my help in that way but if I ever (God forbid) get that call to say they are dead it will not be because I have ignored a phone call for help as a result of them making a mistake.
And also, in my world of emergency services, AC frequently get called because Grandma, Mum or Dad has got drunk enough to need my intervention. The vast majority of AC step up to the plate and sort it to avoid putting additional pressure on the NHS. These are not your bog standard alcoholics but normally respectable middle aged to elderly people who have gone out to a party and had one too many, and fallen etc.
This is what families do, they may, and should in my book, give them hell afterwards for being so stupid, but they don't expect other people to step in because they can't be bothered.

dragonfly46 Thu 07-Feb-19 06:44:36

Gabriella I brought my children up to be independent and self reliant but I also told them that if they are ever in mess of any kind and I could help I would be there for them. Yes I have got up in the middle of the night and picked my son up when someone ran into his car. For many years I also would go up the road in the middle of the night to pick up my parents who had fallen, not because they were drunk I might add. It is what families do.

MagicWriter2016 Thu 07-Feb-19 20:02:56

There seems to be a lot of younger folk just disappearing into thin air recently and I feel so sorry for their families who just want some sort of closure. Is this something that has always been happening, but we didn’t know because we didn’t have the means to know?

I really can’t think of anything worse, how do they manage to carry on? Hope they are all found either way, just to let them move on.

moggie57 Thu 07-Feb-19 20:07:16

I think its a good idea .some countries have a wrist band so that you can track your child. pray for this girls family.

GreenGran78 Thu 07-Feb-19 23:36:53

I wonder if there will come a time when DNA is taken and kept on record at birth. It's a creepy thought, but I bet the crime rate would plummet if everyone knew that they could be easily connected to a crime scene.

MissAdventure Thu 07-Feb-19 23:49:55

That seems a sensible idea to me.

Anja Fri 08-Feb-19 07:58:51

I was taught that you make a ship sturdy enough and with all the proper equipment to navigate the seas of life. If you do your job well, the ship will not sink and will happily carry others

Well that’s a sad analogy. Ships can and do sink, no matter how well made and equipped. Would you then ignore their distress calls as did the captain of the Californian and let them sink without offering help?

PECS Fri 08-Feb-19 08:21:44

When my brother was in mental health crisis and was missing..it was dreadful not knowing if he was alive or not. The police were both kind and thorough. He was located alive.
I think that microchipping people is inappropriate. Whilst many people do go awol deliberately or otherwise the nimbers do not warrant that solution. Sledgehammer/ nut

notanan2 Fri 08-Feb-19 11:10:41

I wonder if there will come a time when DNA is taken and kept on record at birth. It's a creepy thought, but I bet the crime rate would plummet if everyone knew that they could be easily connected to a crime scene.

No it wouldnt. "DNA fraud" would develop just as faking fingerprints did *its now relatively easy to fake someone elses finger print) and most crime scenes dont have any usable conclusive DNA at them anyway!

notanan2 Fri 08-Feb-19 11:18:09

Besides DNA is a tool not a magic wand.

Chipping could make paranoid manic mental health episodes worse and cause people to harm themselves. Removable chips e.g. bands, well... as a teen that would have been sitting on my besties bunk bed while we snuck out elsewhere....

Also as for people not commiting crimes.. plenty of people who commit crimes either want to be caught or dont care if theyre caught. As if someone coming down from drugs is going to stop and go "better not rob that house for money for my next fix, Im chipped/DNA profiled"

Jalima1108 Fri 08-Feb-19 11:23:42

Surely its just as risky to send off for a dna thingy on ancestry or similar sites?
MissA indeed.

People blithely send off their DNA for profiling to such companies which then keep them on a database and who knows how secure that information is - but are wary of having their profile on a national database with all the controls that entails!

FarNorth Sun 10-Feb-19 11:48:34

"People" may do that by choice. Others, such as myself, choose not to do so and also object to a national database.

FarNorth Sun 10-Feb-19 11:53:50

We're all assuming that the DNA records & matching would be infallible.
It's just possible there could be errors while everyone shouts "You are guilty. DNA says so!"