Safety or invasion of privacy.

Each to his own Gonegirl
I never have location finder on, on my phone. Ever.
As for knowing when to put 'the greens' on. I should imagine that visitors don't want the plates slapped down the minute they walk through the door and 'greens only take a few minutes...unless you cook them to death.

dizzyblonde
Not just kids, I was talking about an adult 'child' not a teenager. An AC in their early 20s. Why should I apologise to anyone for their behaviour? My apologising stopped when they left school and started work. Anyone over the age of 18 is deemed an adult and responsible for themselves. I'm not a backstop. My love for my family AC, CG and GGC means that I taught them all about actions and consequences and they are responsible for anything they themselves cause.
I've been a teen and twenty year old and never had to have recourse to my parents bailing me out of a mess because I never got into a mess in the first place. It isn't a rite of passage you know. It's not mandatory to get drunk and have your parents pick up the pieces and apologise on their behalf. Not in my book it isn't.
It's all about choice.

Crossed posts Granless.

I'm amazed that you wouldn't want to know if one of your offspring was in trouble just because they've acted stupidly. What about unconditional love?

Gabriella I find a location tracker on phone very useful when family coming to dinner. I can see when to put the greens on.

Oh, and it's good to know that son's journey long journey home is progressing well after he visits me.

GabriellaG54 - gosh you are a hard nut. Definition of parent is carer.

I wouldn't mind my dna being kept somewhere, just in case.
Surely its just as risky to send off for a dna thingy on ancestry or similar sites?

* GabriellaG54* Thank you so much, your attitude makes my job as a paramedic so much harder as I then have to take care of children whose parents do not care.I have so much more respect for parents who come our, apologise to us and take their offspring home to face the music in the morning.
I have absolutely no respect for parents who have attitudes such as yours.

Some years ago friend's mother, who had Alzheimer's, went missing and was eventually found, after a couple of days, in bad shape. Some form of tracking for her could have saved a lot of worry and distress.

How could it be used in any of the scenarios you mention?

How would these people you mention have access to a National DNA Database B9exchange?

I don't go along with the idea a massive DNA database is fine 'if you have nothing to hide'. The bigger it is and the more people that have access, the more it will be abused. What about it being used to track down abused wives, use by paedophiles (the police force is not immune to these), use by the press to track anyone they want to run a story on, be they bereaved parents or celebrities. And of course in the hands of certain regimes......

FarNorth
Yes, there is that possibility but then, if your drink is spiked it's usually (but not always) done by someone who wants to make a move on the 'victim'.
That was not the case in this instance.
Few instances of spiked drinks are for no reason, besides, there have been numerous ads and messages on tv, social media etc, urging you to keep your drink covered and with you at all times.
People who choose to ignore drink aware posters, ads and their own sense, have only themselves to blame.
I feel sympathy for the parents and family but no-one else.

Peardrop50
Did you each manage to travel safely before the advent of tracking apps on mobile phones?

sodapop
People, women especially, have never been 'safe on the streets' at any time in history.
Yes, the women who used to carouse in inns and bars hundreds of years ago, were often found in alleys with their clothes torn and beaten or dead.
In all the countries in all the world, it's the same old story.
Do not drink to oblivion. Do not leave your drink. Do not accept lifts with strangers.
All common sense...at least you'd think so but it evidently bypasses those who want to keep necking vodka shots like there's no tomorrow.
We can't expect security staff in clubs to act like nannies or parents.
Yes, they'll have a list of reliable taxi firms but your actions from then on are your responsibility. Why drink so much that you can't remember the good time you were supposed to have? Half of it ends up in the gutter anyway.

I hammered it into my children not to bother ringing me if they got drunk and in trouble.
Thankfully, it only happened once and when I got a phone call to tell me about it I told the caller I wasn't interested as they knew the score before they went out.

Quite honestly Anja I would have thought that was self evident to anyone with a modicum of sense.

More needs to be done, perhaps an awareness campaign on TV, warning young people of the dangers of being drunk near water. A young man’s body was pulled out of the River Lem not long ago.

Same scenario.

Look what has been achieved since the introduction of DNA testing and if we have nothing to hide
That is the argument in favour of having everyone's DNA taken and put on the National Database.
I'm not sure that I agree with that either, although I am willing to be persuaded.

Look what has been achieved since the introduction of DNA testing and if we have nothing to hide,I cannot see as some will no doubt claim, a chip tracing an'' area'' where someone might be is ' infringement' on human rights. It would save many hours of manpower in cases of missing persons especially children and not a wild goose chase and a 'hit and miss and previously seen in such and such an area'.
Whether the results of such searches be good/ not good news, the waiting and wondering must be equally hard.

a few years ago in the space of two months two of our friends lost sons this way ,it was weeks before their bodies were recovered from the rivers they fell into.
Regardless of how they got there or how drunk they were its still a horrible loss for the families and even for us who had known these young men since they were babies .Their parents will never recover from the weeks of waitng for news or the day the body was pulled out of the water.Its not something I would wish on anyone .I hope theres a good outcome from these cases and if not I send my heartfelt sympathy to the families involved

Is it a step too far?
May be not for us in Europe but for other people who live under regimes ...

Dont agree with a chip system, however you can get same kind of thing for mobile phones, my Grandsons parents have a device on their phones so that they can see where he is when he is out on his scooter, he travels in the country to friends and they can see where he is should his scooter breakdown,it has been very useful on numerous occasions.

I agree with Peardrop.We as a family all use Location Finder on Google. (Apart from one of use who believes it runs his phone battery down (it doesn't )

Tracking devices on mobile phones are very useful. Mr P and I switch ours on when travelling separately, we like to know the other is travelling safely. Our adult children use it with their family. They can know when one of them has picked up the children or arrived safely somewhere. Their teenage children switch on voluntary when they are out and about to keep them safe. Most youngsters carry a mobile phone and can choose to only switch on location data between friends if they don't want parents keeping an eye on them.
I think we do need to change the drinking culture, as others have said, going out with the intention of 'getting hammered' is not a good thing.
Parents need to educate children about being safe, drinking responsibly and taking responsibility. Where parents are inadequate then teachers, police, clergy, in fact citizens in general should step in. Education, education, education.

Its also worth noting that when dementia chips were trialed it didnt result in less locked doors: by the time you log in to the tracker the person could have stepped into traffic already so places found that the physical restrictions eg locked doors etc had to remain.

The whole thing was problematic because the inclusion criteria for the tracker = the criteria for 1:1 24hr care so it wasnt appropriate to not implement that