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BlueBelle Thu 27-Dec-18 07:51:33

Listening to a debate on the tv this morning I was really surprised to hear it’s not illegals to give a child of 5 alcohol in your own home I find that really quite incredulous

Blinko Fri 28-Dec-18 19:10:43

Come Christmastime, Grandfather would lace our morning cuppa with 'a wee drop of something (it was whisky) to warm you'. We thought it was horrible.... But well, it was Christmas. grin

Speldnan Fri 28-Dec-18 19:09:05

Give them alcohol?! I never gave my children alcohol and my daughter would never ever give it hers! She doesn’t even give them juice for heavens sake! I don’t actually drink it myself, haven’t done for years and I don’t agree with the emphasis put on it in our society. It shouldn’t be seen as the norm and required for every social occasion and,giving it to children even at 10+ certainly would give them this impression. It is a scourge in this country, causing a strain on the NHS and the emergency services, invoking domestic violence and is a silent killer of the wine drinking middle classes. Phew sorry! Don’t get me started! ?

Miriam Fri 28-Dec-18 15:43:47

I agree that young children should not be given alcohol but when our son was very little we used to let him have a finger dip into our glass and that way he grew up knowing it tasted disgusting (to him) and it was not something special. Of course that has all changed now!

Greciangirl Fri 28-Dec-18 15:43:19

A sip of cider at three years old, really is a step too far.
I’m quite shocked that someone would want to do that.

lovebeigecardigans1955 Fri 28-Dec-18 15:41:17

I remember that I was allowed the 'odd nip' with a meal as a child at Christmas.
It didn't turn me into an alcoholic - I think there are other reasons why this terrible addiction happens.
OTOH there was more ignorance about drinking - there was a 'yard of ale' competition at a pub and my parents asked if I'd like to have a go (I would have been mid-teens) but I declined. Just as well I think.

Granstender Fri 28-Dec-18 15:32:49

How interesting to hear other Guinness on prescription stories. My burden of guilt is lifted!
Librarylady,my oldest child is perfectly healthy. Thank you for enquiring!!

TerriBull Fri 28-Dec-18 14:16:45

Indeed FarNorth, I thought some of them were bordering on eccentric and I definitely thought my paternal grandfather was bonkers, when I was growing up, but that's because when you're a child you just want to be like everyone else grin I'd appreciate him now of course grin

FarNorth Fri 28-Dec-18 14:06:54

Dearie me, TerriBull. Those foreign notions! grin

TerriBull Fri 28-Dec-18 13:58:15

My parents gave us a diluted glass of wine with Christmas dinner they thought it was good for us grin half my family on both sides were a bunch of foreigners who thought nothing of giving children wine and laced everything with garlic and worseshock at a time when Oxo cubes were deemed all you needed in seasoning grin

Baggs Fri 28-Dec-18 13:19:06

Better for them than dirty water though, grandtante, n'est-ce pas?

Baggs Fri 28-Dec-18 13:18:14

Thirty-seven years ago in an Edinburgh hospital where DD1was born, I was offered Guinness as a post birth 'fortifier'. I don't remember being offered it twenty months later when DD2 arrived.

I don't think the issue is about encouraging kids to drink alcoholic drinks, but rather about allowing them a little if they show an interest. We have a photo of DD3 with her fingers in MrBaggs's champagne glass when she was about two. I've no idea if she licked them afterwards. If she did it seems to have put her off alcoholic drinks from that moment.

On a philosophical level (quasi or otherwise), it's always worth remembering that a thing's being illegal does not necessarily make it wrong just as all wrong things are not necessarily illegal.

I think allowing children occasional little sips of alcoholic drinks is not wrong.

grandtanteJE65 Fri 28-Dec-18 13:08:54

In the days when water was undrinkable in the summer, or even all year round, it was used for brewing beer. However, the alcohol content in beer for everyday use in most countries was only somewhere around 3 to 5% and children in those days did drink it.

I'm not saying it was good for them though.

As a child I saw my parents and their friends drink a beer or a glass of wine with a meal, or perhaps a gin and tonic or something similar in the course of an evening if there were visitors.

At about the age of 12 my mother offered me a sip of her sherry and I thought it tasted revolting, two years later I tried it again and liked the taste, but I don't think I was offered a full glassful until I was sixteen.

I do feel that giving a child of five anything alcoholic is wrong, unless it is done to satisfy their curiosity. I can't imagine that any child that age would enjoy beer or wine, but the taste should not be encouraged.

That said it is very difficult indeed to enforce laws about what people may not do in their own homes for obvious reasons.

Nowadays, most cough medicine etc. do not contain either alcohol or opium, both of which were commonly used earlier on. Any that do is marked not to be used for children. So we have come quite a long way preventing children being harmed by alcohol, but there is still work to be done,

Changing peoples' attitudes is hard, but more likely to prevent children being exposed to alcohol and other harmful substances than making laws about it, in my opinion.

4allweknow Fri 28-Dec-18 13:05:35

Baggs Where does that leave smoking where children are especially in their own homes?

Fennel Fri 28-Dec-18 12:48:26

So that's how you do it, Bijou grin.
My husband has just started with a can of Guiness a day, I'll tell him that you recommend it.

Bijou Fri 28-Dec-18 12:20:33

Seventy years ago my sister was given Guiness when in hospital after the birth of her baby.
When we were children if we had a cold my mother would give us hot milk with whisky. She was advised by her doctor to drink a glass of Guiness a day which she did until she died at the age of 95. We children were given a little and I, nearly 96 still enjoy my daily glass.

NotSpaghetti Fri 28-Dec-18 12:12:16

Silly me, I meant Shortlegs grin - though goose was funny too!

NotSpaghetti Fri 28-Dec-18 12:09:12

goose1964 grin

Maggiemaybe Fri 28-Dec-18 12:02:44

I can't see any harm in introducing older children to alcohol in the home, but doubt it makes any difference to their future relationship with it. People don't actually have to learn to drink at all. According to a survey this year, 29% of UK 16- to 24-year olds were non-drinkers in 2015, up from 18% in 2005. Why encourage them to drink if some of them will never want to?

Yes, we have a reputation for binge drinking and bad behaviour on nights out, but other European countries who are perceived as being oh so civilised in their drinking habits often have much higher levels of alcohol consumption, drink driving and alcohol related illnesses.

I'm speaking here as someone who certainly likes a drink myself, so not being judgemental!

librarylady, FYI, when I was in hospital with my children in the early 80s, breastfeeding mums were given a bottle of stout every evening on the NHS and encouraged to drink it even if they didn't like the taste. Times change.

starbox Fri 28-Dec-18 11:53:43

When I was about ten, we used to have Whitworth's peach wine and pour it over icecream...heavenly! And I can honestly say I've never been drunk in my life, so not an issue! Woulds happily give to my own grandchildren at that age!

Theoddbird Fri 28-Dec-18 11:50:36

I did read somewhere that that have less of an alcohol problem in countries such as Italy and France because the children are given it quite young at family meals etc

janeainsworth Fri 28-Dec-18 11:47:28

Why people get pleasure from being out of control drunk or even tipsy I will never understand

quizqueen It’s perfectly possible to enjoy drinking alcohol without being ‘out of control drunk’ or tipsy.

Granstender I drank Guinness mixed with milk when I was expecting DS in the 70’s. I think the rationale was that Guinness is a good source of the B vitamins.

sarahellenwhitney Fri 28-Dec-18 11:33:52

I had my first taste of alcohol at a neighbours party when I was fifteen. Not impressed and did not have the urge for more even following a glass of sherry at my wedding.
That is until in my late thirties and when out with friends and the wine was free flowing did I realise what I had been missing. It did not turn me into an 'alcoholic' but will never say 'no'.wine to one or two???????????

MaggieMay69 Fri 28-Dec-18 11:01:19

None of my kids drink, I never made it taboo, I always let them have a small snowball at Christmas, or half a babycham with lemonade, or even cherry brandy in lemonade, or sometimes even a mini bottle of Biere blonde, my daughter has done the same, never made drink a taboo, and the kids have all grown up respecting alcohol, and because it was allowed (in small allowances) they never went mad with it, and out of all my kids and grandkids, none of them have any problems with it.
Same with anything, teach kids how to respect it, and they won't take the mickey.

jocork Fri 28-Dec-18 10:56:30

My daughter first tasted alcohol when she was a little under 2. We were at friends having a pre-Christmas glass of sherry and she picked up a practically empty glass and drained a drop from it. She said "yummy yummy " She then went to the next empty glass and did the same. When I said "What is it?" she said "Gone!" It doesn't seem to have had any bad effects and she is a very sensible drinker now and never touches a drop when driving. I think giving a little taste is sensible as it doesn't make it 'forbidden fruit'.

jenpax Fri 28-Dec-18 10:53:22

My parents had both been raised or lived abroad and my mother was part French so wine with meals was common for me and I raised my own 3 the same and none of them have had any issues with alcohol