Shame on you Corbyn!

*Except he said "stupid people".

No he didn't. He most obviously said "stupid woman". Why on earth do you think his words caused a furore otherwise?

Corbyn defenders buy his lie, don't they? Making excuses for him yet again.

Agree POGS

Except he said "stupid people".
MPs are not the only women subjected to on-line abuse Mary Beard has a long history involving it.
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Good post POGS

There can be no defence of Corbyn's sexist and misogynistic remark. (Bercow is a disgrace. I agree.)

We have spoken tirelessly about the state of politics regarding female politicians and to be honest the lack of understanding by some who do not believe there is even an issue because of whom is at the heart of this debacle is on one hand quite surprising but on the other of no surprise because of partisan politics.

It is accepted that female MP's have been subjected to abuse of a particularly mysogynistic nature , vile , harmful threats especially on social media.

There have been many a debate in Parliament , many female/male MP's backing the female MP's who have fought tirelessly to raise the seriousness of this abuse / mysoginy /sexism etc. and there has been a will by Parliament to try and curb this problem.

Whether it be in the form of the recent Dame Laura Cox Report into bullying and harassment within Parliament or the words / reports / debates we see and hear from our MP's themselves it is not going to change if the fact the Leader of a political party can call another a ' Stupid Woman ' in Parliament and he is backed by his cohorts and followers.

Parliament under Bercow has been a disgrace as he has been at the forefront of patronising behaviour and insults whilst holding the position of Speaker. You only have to watch Parliament to see the evidence of his behaviour and playing to the camera.

If it is possible to take the partisan politics and whataboutery out of the equation and focus on what we should expect from politicians, especially Leaders of the parties , then it is unquestionable calling a fellow Minister a ' Stupid Woman' has no place in Parliament and if Parliamentary etiquette is allowed to go unchallenged so brazenly then what chance have the MP's who are raising the sexist behaviour in Parliament ever going to see a change.?

I am not a Corbyn "fan" as you put it lemon but I do happen to believe that you must look at the evidence and then make a judgement and the basis of that judgement should be, as it is in the British justice system, that if there is reasonable doubt the accused is Not Guilty. And so I cannot condemn Corbyn (I realise that many of you base your judgements on personal animosity and ignore any reasonable doubt)

Is blind devotion to the extent that the recipient of the devotion can do no wrong - reasonable ?

Exactly Annie

Bercow had to say that, especially given that he has said that phrase himself to Andrea Ledsome.
Ever the Corbyn fan I see trisher ( possibly the only one who is 100% defensive of him on GN.)He can do no wrong in your eyes......ever.Worrying, such blind faith.

If a person is speaking directly to you and you think their comments to be stupid why address a whole room of people in reply.

And corbyn said it was "stupid people" which given the behavior on the front bench at the time was appropriate.

Bercow said later he had looked at the footage and consulted professional lip-speakers. “It is easy to see why it could be construed as ‘stupid woman’,” he said, adding that that was also the advice of the professionals.

“Nobody can be 100% certain. That includes professional lip-readers. I will naturally take, and would be expected to take, the word of any member. It is reasonable to expect the house to do the same.”
Reasonable is seldom a word that can be applied on GN unfortunately.

Wrong, the speaker said he didn’t hear it, he did not say it wasn’t said, he called Corbyn back to the house , this gave Corbyn the choice between truth and lie.

And let's be clear about something. Anything said in Parliament is addressed to the Speaker, and if the Speaker didn't hear it, it wasn't said. The speaker said he didn't hear it (which he couldn't have anyway) therefore Corbyn cannot say he said it without calling the Speaker either a liar or incompetent. It's called parliamentary procedure. It may be stupid, it may archaic but it's how it works. It is not the same as someone having an everyday conversation. And most of the people I know who lip read have said they thought it was "people" which would be appropriate given the shower in power.

Not in a debate and not in Parliament

"Calm down dear" is very different from "stupid woman". It is very unlikely that he would have addressed another man in such terms. Exception was taken because it was a phrase specifically seen as belittling of women generally. A woman or a man could, in my opinion, mutter the words "stupid man" or "stupid woman" without the intention of belittling either sex.

I remember feeling disgusted when Cameron said ‘calm down dear ‘ , women do not get equality in Parliment .

‘Calm down Dear ‘. ‘Stupid woman’

It isn't about equal rights or special treatment imo. It's linked to the fact that women in the HoC ( and in the wider world) are much more likely to be demeaned because of their gender, than men are. I don't want to make the mountain out of the mouse hole here. I fully accept there are more very important issues at steak - Brexit for one and the destruction of our public services for another. The fact that a man who claims to understand the wider issues relating to oppression, racism, sexism etc etc can make the comment, not fess up etc sadly confirms my difficulties with JC.

Oh very strong Annie but for equal rights NOT special treatment

trisher not what I expected to hear from a poster with very strong feminist views, not so strong it seems

Eloethan,yes given he was debating with a woman in Parliament. We can read or hear something and think ‘stupid man or stupid woman ‘ , but Corbyn used it to belittle a woman and then scuttled away, was called back and lied to the house.

If it is mysoginistic to say "stupid woman" is it misandric to say "stupid man"? And if not why not?

Do you really think saying "stupid woman" or "stupid man" indicates sexism? I ask again, how many people would mutter "stupid person" under their breath?

If he said stupid Tories, I agree with him - the mess they've made of this country.

A female labour MP claimed he said ‘stupid tories’ !

annodomini, I do understand the point many make that his comment reflected how many of us feel but - it's the misogyny and denial that bothers me

annodomini. You are happy to admit it, he lied