Mumsnet & GN a threat to transgenders?

I have two young friends transgendering now,they dont know each other so aren't influencing each other . They live 50 miles apart and are from different branches of my family.
It was my decision not to tell them about each other.Once they have completed their treatment I might introduce them but at the moment I think the family members who are vocally opposed would blame me for influencing them

.Both these boys who were girls are under 18 .Both know without any doubt the route they are taking is the one for them.Both are happier than they were as girls and both have received support and help from most of their families ,their communities and their schools.

Sadly its the older family members who are so disapproving and downright nasty .People mature at different rates and we need to recognise and accept that young people know themselves better than anyone else does.These people have always existed, its times that have changed and they feel rightly that they should be able to be open about who they are .Its not so long ago we criminalised homosexuality and caused untold damage in lives.Surely we've learned from that ?

I would hope so paddyann, but I'm not completely sure. Predjudice takes some cracking.

The point is there has been an attempt to , well I guess you could call it for what it appears to be, blackmail GN into policing it's own site by threat to it's business. Also that entails telling us as members we cannot discuss the issue.

It is not about the emotive issue of transgender related opinions or factual evidence which has been spoken of GN from time to time.

This is not just activism , it goes beyond that . This type of threatening behaviour is gaining traction and I think Parliament needs to debate this problem, if it hasn't already, and make it unlawful.

I think boycotting has a legitimate place in any campaign..but violent threats or behaviour are already illegal.

This is not just activism , it goes beyond that . This type of threatening behaviour is gaining traction and I think Parliament needs to debate this problem, if it hasn't already, and make it unlawful. Exactly. Well said, POGS.

Saw an interesting expression yesterday: "angry groups are vindictive groups". Such groups do not try to persuade, only to destroy.

The issue of how we deal with this apparent epidemic of trans gender people is highly problematical - my deepest concern is for children being influenced by this media frenzy.

If a between-ager realises she is becoming attracted to another girl, she does not have the life experience to realise that the conclusion need not be that she should become a boy, but that she is gay or just going through a life transition in the context of a massive hormone surge.

These children need protecting from the strident trans activists an given time and love to work out what is going on.

I find the bullying tactics of activists totally abhorrent and lacking in real concern for the individual.

Someone we know is changing from female to male.
She had a prolongued period of counselling before the doctors agreed to go ahead with what she wants.
Started in her mid 20s.

F to M transgender isn't a problem. That person isn't trying to take away men's rights, unlike some M to F trangender people who wish to deny women their rights or to even call themselves women.

'ciswomen'.

Womxn. Non-men.

I just get the feeling that all these different terms are designed to confuse us so that we get into trouble whatever we say

I've read Justine Roberts statement and agree with it. Possibly one of the advertisers referred to in that piece could be Cow and Gate. I believe I read somewhere that they were pressurised by a trans lobby group to withdraw their advertising on MN because of what they perceive as "transphobic" threads on that site. MN apparently has a stonking 11 million subscribers, I imagine a large percentage of those will be women. Cow and Gate manufacture formula milk and baby foods. I may be wrong but I imagine their products are aimed at the new mother, who are women, not trans women.

or womxn, whoever they are!

I wonder if I could be seen as a TERF?? Is that in truth the term of abuse that transgender women see it as?

Yes you could, Iam64.
It is a term of abuse and is not something that anyone ever uses of themselves.

I've posted about this as a separate thread but, in case you don't see it, here is a link to a Sunday Times survey on whether everyone who identifies as a female should have access to women-only spaces.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/readers-poll-should-everyone-who-identifies-as-female-have-access-to-women-only-spaces-c36hw0qgk?shareToken=151bf251b05dad9fb8cc83d8aface0fc

Count me in on Justin's side. What are the people threatening MN/GN scared of?

Shutting discussion down is the politics of fear.

Cow And Gate near to grow a pair ( apt in the circumstances)

I think they did Lemon. Surprisingly I don't think they were persuaded to withdraw their advertising on MN despite the frightening prospect of transwomen boycotting their products, which no doubt produced an alarming drop in their profits. Wonder where all these womxn get their baby rice and pureed vegetables now

I feel sorry for any non agressive person in the turmoil of transitioning m to f. It must be complex enough without people wanting to use your situation as part of a campaign & possibly confusing you more.

Btw, "transgenders" is not seen as a polite way to refer to transgender people.
It should be used as an adjective.

Terri-??
Maybe they picked the wrong company.
I’m not an economist but I suppose C&G thought mothers may boost their profits more than womxn?

I, too, completely agree with Justine.

I have no problem with transgender as such but this was flagged up on twitter a few days ago and it's, in my opinion, horrifying:

This book is intended for 4 - 8year olds

A blurb explained: “In this heartwarming picture book, a big sister realises that her little sister, Jackie, doesn’t like dresses or fairies-she likes ties and bugs! Will she and her family be able to accept that Jackie identifies more as ‘Jack?’

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/10/new-childrens-book-transgender-boy/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Buffer&utm_campaign=PN

I don't know if the author is trans herself but what dreadful gender stereotyping. It feels as though the M -> F trans community is trying to impose their vision of 'femaleness' on women. 'Jack' sounds like a perfectly normal little girl to me... All that princesses and fairies and pinkness crap is cultural, not gender specific... IMO

For four to eight year olds

OMG Maizie it’s quite scary.
It’s as though they have just opened a new club and are short of members.

What is the polite way to refer to transgender people, then, FarNorth? Is 'trans' impolite, too?