Was Piers Morgan right?

No, no good old British compromise will then come into play while we all find jolly good reasons to stay whilst having a good moan, erm yes maybe this chap is just very very British.

We might have nobody left after Brexit..The remainers will have to go along with all the Brexiters that do not like the deal! ???

Its silly really trying to get into the heads of historical figures, their time is passed and gone, their country and life no longer exist. I am probably just a bit fed up that people who live in one of the saner countries of the world feel they loathe it so much but don't have the courage of their convictions to go somewhere they don't loathe, wherever that may be. Why be miserable.

I wasn't saying either
I was referring to the fact that Churchill died in 1965 and I thought we were discussing any racism that existed when he was alive.

Jalima I don't want to misinterstand your post..please can you clarify if you are saying that the country is racist or it isn't?

the word

^ or saying this man has no right to say this country is racist.^
is - he word that jumps out at me here.

Churchill died in 1965.

I wonder how many posters on this thread are, like Piers Morgan ethnically white? If you are I fail to see how you can justify complaining, or saying this man has no right to say this country is racist. You are unlikely to have suffered any racial slurs as he probably has. Much has been written on many threads about how Jews know about anti-semitism and where it exists. The same can be said for any black person and racism.
As for the comments about the war, they are completely uncalled for and absolutely nothing to do with racism today.

luluaugust it sounds as if you do not want anyone who is resident in the country to be critical of the UK or its historical figures. That sounds rather dictatorial a bit like unquestioning praise for the leader in Nth Korea!

Many people on this thread, me included, have acknowledged the important role WC s leadership played in WW2. We fought that war to get rid of dictatorial regimes!
I have not heard what this professor said or the context so no idea if I support his perspective. I do support his right to express his opinions as long as they are not inciting racial or religious hatred.

Jalima

erm… Brummies are British
Joke alert Blinko - I hail from the Midlands myself

Diana54 Tue 09-Oct-18 17:51:14
As Diana says - in comparison to other world figures of the time he was positively benign; he did not go round murdering swathes of the population on the grounds of their race, colour or creed.
He was a man of his time.

Could he be a Brummie?

erm… Brummies are British. At least, last time I visited the city (which was yesterday).

Hear, hear luluaugust!!??

Now you are playing an interesting card are we all making our remarks only because this gent is black. Well for myself I would have a go at any old Professor who loathes this country but still lives here and enjoys the advantages of being here.

Because he earns more here than any other country that will have him. There are plenty of others who do the same they loathe the UK but will take the money and all the other advantages like freedom of speech, which they don't always have in their home country

I think this alludes to the fact that he comes from outside of the UK.

I think some comments seemed to be judging this man's right to comment on WC because he was not British / an immigrant. Googling would have given a little bit more info on his background & ethnicity.

I don’t find it ‘distasteful, uncomfortable, wicked’ etc
It simply doesn’t show any common sense to apply modern standards to figures from the past.

Jalima are you looking at WC "dispassionately or impartially"?
Yes - are you?

I believe the daft professor (?) is British.
I don't believe anyone said otherwise did they?
Could he be a Brummie ?

Well, PECS and oldbatty fyi I have not read the Mail - or any newspaper.
Nor do I watch Piers Morgan (don't like him, but this time he could have a point).

But I did google the Professor and read straightforward factual accounts about him.

But he apparently did do it..so you can! You might find it distasteful, wrong, uncomfortable , inappropriate, wicked , etc etc. But it can be done!

Not at all Iam64 there wasn’t a link to see, so colour didn’t come into it.At my DD’s Uni her favourite prof was black, academics come in all colours and nationalities.
Saying the UK is a very racist place and that Churchill was a clear racist is his opinion, but that’s all it is, an opinion.
Actually, within Europe, I would say the UK is the least racist country.
Prof Andrews may feel slightly different about Churchill had he ( the prof ) grown up here a little earlier, say, the 1940’s.
It has become fashionable to slag off well known names from the past by applying today’s standards in any case, you simply can’t do it.

I don't think it's at all fair to judge a person by today's standards when they lived during completely different times with completely different standards. Churchill was flawed, is that really news? Aren't we all flawed? I thought that was part of the human condition. The thing about Churchill is that it seems certain that we would not have won the war without him. And that is why he is remembered. He was probably racist, along with about 99% of the then population. Why would we judge him now for behaving in what was a perfectly normal, if repugnant to us now, way. We must judge the attitudes of the past, not the people who were holding those, at the time, completely acceptable attitudes.
With regard to Kahinde Andrews, I'm afraid I think it is him who is racist.And he's racist right now.

coz its in the Mail

how come anyone is expressing such strong opinions on Professor Kahinde Andrews ability to comment on issues if they actually know so little about him!