What counts as ID ?

You can get a Citizens Card. My mum got one a couple of years ago as she has no other ID. My son also got one when he turned 16. It works really well.

Although postal votes are just as vulnerable to fraud if not more.

Yes, so would I POGS I know this will be just a trial but would be happy to see it implemented for all voting.
A passport, a bus pass, driving licence etc.Or ID cards for voting provided by the LA.

InN.Ireland where widespread fraud was common, ID cards were introduced for voting and are provided free of charge by the la.

maryeliza

Electoral Fraud is a reason why I would be happy to have an ID card to be honest .

25?

I couldn't understand why anybody was asked to confirm/checked their age if deemed to be between 18 - 25 . I knew it was illegal to sell alcohol to the under 18 age group so I could understand checking for 18.

I was totally unaware of the ' Challenge 25 ' scheme and I am asking myself 'WHY' it exists.

It must be a nightmare for shop keepers and especially customer facing staff on checkouts. What purpose does it serve at the end of the day? It's not as though anybody 18 - 25 are doing anything illegal they are perfectly entitled to purchase alcohol.

I bet I will see signs up everywhere now but I genuinely did not know this existed in shops.

Why on earth can't you purchase alcohol at 25?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/06/voter-id-trials-risk-disenfranchising-vulnerable-people

Not just a problem for the ‘young(er)’

also at ours As*a...we are implimenting the age limit for Energy drinks...16 they have to have ID if we think they are not 16 not sure how many 16 yrs olds are going to carry ID.

A passport just to use as ID would be an expense she could do without at the moment to be honest . Little chance of holidaying abroad . So I have suggested she looks at the citizens ID which is £15 (as mentioned by HildaJenniJ earlier up thread ) . She told me on the phone tonight that she has been asked for ID for spray deodorant recently too

I haven't travelled for years but do have a passport for ID. It's essential for employment, banks, estate agents and other places. It may be worth your daughter getting a passport.
Varian - I was surprised to get my new bus pass with my old photo. Why don't they ask for a new photo as for passports?

I recently was sent a new bus pass as I'd had the previous one for ten years.( I'd only used it a couple of times when on holiday as we don't have any buses round here).

They didn't ask me for a new photo -just used the old one.

I've already aged quite a bit since it was taken but if I'm still around in another ten years and try to get on a bus I very much doubt if this would be accepted as ID because I'm likely to be unrecognisable.

I now have a passport, but prior to that the only thing I had with my photo on was my bus pass, but that isn`t acceptable. Anyway, it`s beyond belief that I`d be asked if I was over 25, lol!

How I wish I had this problem?

gillybob I work on the checkout of a well known supermaket..we are very strict.

Normally it is a driving licence/passport etc or ashilda says uk citizenship card..but it "must" have the photo ID on.

It is a difficult job and I must say when I first started I ID a lady who was 38! I wasn;t taking any chances.

I myself could be subject to a fine and criminal record. whilst the supermarket would also get fined.
We have a "Challeng 25 Policy" meaning you must! look 25 (even though the alcohol age is 18) we do get it wrong sometimes and the younger lads aren't too happy.

Customers come in with bob hats/glasses/make up/scarves etc and it is sometimes hard to tell what age of face lies beneath.I challenged a female only today who turned out to be 33!

Make up/bo tox and ny other enhancements can change a person look. (it hasn't worked for me but!!! hey ho....

I was speaking on the phone this morning to a young man at National Savings and Investments about a savings certificate my mother had bought in the 90s without me knowing. He started going on about how they do interest on children's bonds so I interrupted him and explained it's not a child's bond. So he said well if it was bought in 1992 how old were you then? Counted on my fingers and told him in my 40s. Oh so it wasn't a child's bond then.....err no! Sorry you didn't sound that old! Excuse me?! No sorry I didn't mean to say that! Poor thing he was so embarrassed!

My daughter is 35 and at times she does look very much younger than her age so she has got used to showing her Driver's License. Nowadays, especially as she is also very pregnant, she is pleased to be mistaken for someone younger, but in the past has found it very frustrating.

I was once, many, many moons ago, refused entry to the licensed bit of a dance hall [told you it was many moons ago] and Dh had to come and collect me and say he would make sure I behaved!! I was 25!!

I'd see the manager before I went and bought a Citizen's card.

Sadly, I have not ( at any age) been asked to supply ID when buying alchohol.
I would do as others say and see the store manager.

Thank you hildajenniJ that sounds exactly what she needs. I'm off to find it.

Here in Italy everybody has to have an I.D card. They are used by many Italian citizens instead of a passport ( much cheaper) although I can't travel with mine as I am only a resident not a citizen!!

Have just asked DH who works in the Co-op. He says she needs a UK Citizen card which costs £15. He says it is useful to have one, if you haven't any other form of ID. Have a Google and read about it.

Not acceptable cornergran as it could be anyone's birth certificate. Apparently it has to be photo ID.

Yes a good idea to organize a meeting with the store manager to try and reach a solution. It is a store close to where she lives so yes she does use it quite a lot and probably even more so once the baby arrives.

Photo copy of her birth certificate maybe gilly? Any sort of official document with her date of birth on it? If it’s a shop she uses regularly I think maybe a chat with the store manager along the lines of ‘I don’t want to take my custom elsewhere, how can we get round this’ should provide a solution. It must be frustrating for her, in that situation looking young is not a bonus.

When we were visiting the UK for my Mothers 90th birthday we went to the local Morrisons for all the party stuff.
I was with my DD and her then partner(French speaking).
We got to the check out and I was asked if I was over 25, duh, just a wee bit.
I was then aske dfor ID, come on, really i said.
By now DD and partener were in stitches, speaking French of course.
I handed over my Belgian ID card, and she said she could not understand it and did not then accept it.
I asked to speak to a supervisor, one duly came I showed her the card and she could see it was in French and ENGLISH.
We got our wine and beer but DD still has a laugh about it, it would be funny if it were not rather sad and silly.

Some years ago, our local village supermarket had a sneaky wee addition to the usual age checks for alcohol (ID if you looked under 25). For some strange reason, they required ALL staff to guess the age of ALL purchasers of alcohol ...and they had to log it on the till, but customers were not supposed to know! A friend of mine who worked there mounted her own small protest by putting everyone as either 27 or 72, no matter what age they looked! There was never any comeback, but I don't know what the point was, appart from annoying the staff with something that looked like CYA from the shop's point of view..
That was a very good point about the purchase of one bottle of craft beer being an indication of several perfectly legal things and I think the management should have been summoned and appealed to for common sense.
There is a current campaign in our area to catch out shopkeepers on sales to underage young people and the assistant may have felt under a bit of pressure to stick to the rules, but you are right - it's not easy if you don't drive or have a passport and they should take account of that at the tills.