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Jesus replaced with a Gregg's sausage roll.

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Day6 Fri 17-Nov-17 13:25:32

The Guardian would have us believe that only 'flaky' Christians are likely to be upset by Gregg's depiction of the Nativity, placing a sausage roll in the manger.

So, Christians are 'flaky" (oh so witty, not) to be upset?

I am no longer a church-goer but I was brought up as a Christian, as were many of us I suspect, and I am offended that Greggs think it is OK to offend as they have. Not only that, journalists like this oh so lofty sneering one place the blame for any offence on silly Christians who are obviously not normal if they have faith.

It really sickens me, this media hatred of certain groups when some are beyond criticism.

One journalist suggested all religions are open to parody and it is par for the course. I'd suggest otherwise. Make fun of Mohammed and you'll be blown to smithereens. Think Charlie Hebdo.

The hilarity the defaced manger scene has caused over the internet puzzles me. Greggs in their insensitivity have become the comic heroes and Christians, for believing in Christ's lowly birth, are the idiotic 'right wing' reactionaries, according to left wing media.

I am cross at the power of social media to dictate what we should think, but also on behalf of my truly lovely Christian friends. One told me she has 'turned the other cheek'.

How do you feel?

Iam64 Sat 18-Nov-17 19:50:37

My experience is that people of faith respect the faith of other groups. The similarities between the faiths far outweigh their differences. The basic tenants of kindness, forgiveness, not taking life, not committing adultery or harming children etc run through the major faiths. The notion than somehow religion is responsible for all the ills in the world doesn't sit with me. Each to their own. What I do find offensive is deliberate attacks on others because of their beliefs whether its religion, politics or other belief systems that help us get through the challenges life throws at us.

Bluegal Sat 18-Nov-17 19:37:40

Oops I am going off topic too! (apologies OP)

Bluegal Sat 18-Nov-17 19:32:24

Hollycat - I know....
Maybe same year? We were asked not to send Christmas cards too!!! My experience was that NOBODY was offended regardless of religion!

My best work mate was Jehovah's Witness and although she didn't participate in Christmas, she was happy to get a card. She didn't feel 'offended' in any way.

I went into my local (muslim run) shop and they were playing Christmas Carols, I commented on it and they said "We LOVE them"....

I was picked up by a Muslim taxi driver on Christmas Eve (I was so incensed with this 'offending' nonsense) I asked him if he was Muslim and he said he was I said so I better not wish you a 'happy Christmas' then? His response was "Its Christmas, why wouldn't you?"

Says it all...... stuff and nonsense...........

Anniebach Sat 18-Nov-17 19:31:53

It doesn't matter what day he was born, all that matters is he was born and the 25th December means to me a day when all Christians are rejoicing this together .

I am deeply offend that the Christ Child was replaced with a sausage roll and just for publicity which will bring in more money , shame on them, and shame on those who defend them.

TerriBull Sat 18-Nov-17 19:30:50

Hollycat your post illustrates just one version of the absolute nonsense of decisions made on behalf of non Christians regarding "perceived" offences that exist only in the minds of those who dream up these idiotic directives.

sarahellenwhitney Sat 18-Nov-17 19:21:44

What shocks me, and I find despicable, is to mock another's beliefs. Whether these beliefs are true is not the issue it is the mockery of what someone else' believes in.
I have no knowledge of Christ having been born on 25 December as no page in the bible no matter how many times you read it confirms that particular day as his birth.
There is a winter solstice, and a roman midwinter festival which was, hundreds of years ago celebrated around 25th and if folk wanted to make that a time to celebrate then that's their choice. To each his own.
These celebrations were seen as heathen.

Hollycat Sat 18-Nov-17 19:17:44

It was stupid, crass and ill-advised. Perhaps someone thought they were clever and "on message" and instead were deeply offensive. I hope they've been read the riot act but I doubt it, any publicity is good publicity and Greggs have had plenty! Then again, I suppose Christ has had to put up with far worse. The year before I retired an e-mail was sent to the entire organisation where I worked asking us not to send each other Christmas cards as we would offend staff of other faiths. I was offended. VERY offended so I immediately went out to find cards depicting the Nativity. The only place I could find such cards in the City was in Southwark Cathedral and I bought several boxes which I sent to ALL my workmates regardless of their religions. After all, the non-Christians weren't so offended by Christmas that they felt obliged to work over the holiday, were they? And nobody complained! Not one! I think I was a bit disappointed.smile

TerriBull Sat 18-Nov-17 19:12:45

I believe George "six jobs" Osborne was photographed eating one once maybe he's a regular scoffer of Gregg's offerings, hence the deathly white pallor.

MissAdventure Sat 18-Nov-17 19:01:14

If I ate sausages, 1 from Greggs would be just as likely to get eaten as one from anywhere else.

durhamjen Sat 18-Nov-17 19:00:00

I used to eat them, Jalima, but having been vegetarian for over forty years, it's not a shop I frequent these days, let alone eat sausage rolls.

durhamjen Sat 18-Nov-17 18:58:17

The reason I ask you, lemon, is because you said that Paul Hollywood must have lost his taste buds if he eats Greggs sausage rolls.
If you've never eaten one, how would you know how tasty or otherwise they are - unless you are just prejudiced against a snack that lots of northerners eat?

durhamjen Sat 18-Nov-17 18:53:53

Not true, Jalima. They sell bread where there is enough demand for it.

"The company says it's now focusing on "food-on-the-go products, including sandwiches", which are "freshly prepared in store every day and made using our own bread". "While loaves of bread can still be purchased in a number of our shops where we see high levels of customer demand," a spokeswoman adds, "we also understand that customer shopping habits and needs are changing and have adapted accordingly." "

Bluegal Sat 18-Nov-17 18:52:58

Wow! Heated discussion, often going off track. Were Greggs insensitive to Christians....Yes I believe they were. I am not sure they would have been brave enough to make fun of other religions tbh. Contrary to beliefs, other religions might be affronted also. Muslims and Christians share a common theological heritage where both faiths revere Jesus and his mother.

These similarities have sadly become sullied throughout history because Islam and Christianity are often portrayed as implacable enemies embroiled in conflict. (Sadja Kahn in the Times)

Poor taste in Greggs - like their sausage rolls themselves I would guess.

Jalima1108 Sat 18-Nov-17 18:50:48

I have a friend who loves Greggs sausage rolls but he has to sneak down there and eat them surreptitiously in the street in case his wife finds out.

Jalima1108 Sat 18-Nov-17 18:49:26

They said Greggs was based in Yorkshire. shock
That is truly shocking!!

It's like saying the Cornish invented the pasty when we know it was invented in Devon.

lemongrove Sat 18-Nov-17 18:49:10

Greggs are just massive purveyors of greasy stuff reheated for builders lunches aren’t they?grin

Jalima1108 Sat 18-Nov-17 18:47:59

Will anyone else confess to ever having eaten a Greggs sausage roll (apart from Mini-Baggs grin)?
And which politician was it?

durhamjen Sat 18-Nov-17 18:47:09

Breitbart was very offensive. They said Greggs was based in Yorkshire.

lemongrove Sat 18-Nov-17 18:46:56

But we keep going off thread in a massive way.Religion and the ‘evils thereof’ are not what is under scrutiny.

Jalima1108 Sat 18-Nov-17 18:46:52

Lemon, when did you last eat a Greggs sausage roll?

Now, confession time!

I last ate a Greggs sausage roll in about 1986.
DH used to buy bread from Greggs every week, but unfortunately, Greggs The Bakers no longer sell bread

What exactly are Greggs about these days?
They are supposed to have gone down the 'healthy food' route but are still selling cholesterol-laden sausage rolls.
confused

lemongrove Sat 18-Nov-17 18:45:39

I don’t think it is ‘far more extensive than atheist regimes’ actually trisher I think it is far less.
Far more killing is done for power, territory and tribal issues.

durhamjen Sat 18-Nov-17 18:44:16

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/how-world-reacted-greggs-sausage-13920087

trisher Sat 18-Nov-17 18:42:18

Skyandblossom interesting figures but let's not forget that some of those killed were killed because of the religion they followed. So Muslims in Croatia, Jews in Hitler's Germany. Religious slaughter is not confined simply to wars, it takes place in times of peace and in countries that seem to be settled. It is not confined to Europe but has been exported to Africa and the Americas where the numbers will never be known. It includes the children beaten and starved in orphanages. It includes all conflicts and all religions, not just Christianity and it is far more extensive than any atheist regimes.

lemongrove Sat 18-Nov-17 18:39:20

In fact actually three times durhamjen grin

lemongrove Sat 18-Nov-17 18:38:27

You have now asked me that question twice durhamjen is it important to you to know?

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