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Day6 Fri 17-Nov-17 13:25:32

The Guardian would have us believe that only 'flaky' Christians are likely to be upset by Gregg's depiction of the Nativity, placing a sausage roll in the manger.

So, Christians are 'flaky" (oh so witty, not) to be upset?

I am no longer a church-goer but I was brought up as a Christian, as were many of us I suspect, and I am offended that Greggs think it is OK to offend as they have. Not only that, journalists like this oh so lofty sneering one place the blame for any offence on silly Christians who are obviously not normal if they have faith.

It really sickens me, this media hatred of certain groups when some are beyond criticism.

One journalist suggested all religions are open to parody and it is par for the course. I'd suggest otherwise. Make fun of Mohammed and you'll be blown to smithereens. Think Charlie Hebdo.

The hilarity the defaced manger scene has caused over the internet puzzles me. Greggs in their insensitivity have become the comic heroes and Christians, for believing in Christ's lowly birth, are the idiotic 'right wing' reactionaries, according to left wing media.

I am cross at the power of social media to dictate what we should think, but also on behalf of my truly lovely Christian friends. One told me she has 'turned the other cheek'.

How do you feel?

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 20-Nov-17 20:47:33

jen even faith schools are under the auspices of Ofsted and it's my understanding the primary school girls wearing hijab is a recent development. Why should Ofsted not be interested in a faith school adopting something which is not normally part of the religion? For me this falls into the same category as under age girls being removed from school for a forced marriage and the Trojan horse enquiries in Birmingham.

Annie presumably Ofsted wants to know what the children have to say about wearing a hijab. Why not ask the children?

Anniebach Mon 20-Nov-17 20:21:15

Wilma, do they think little ones are changing their clothes after they leave their home for school? It is a stupid question to ask children

Eglantine21 Mon 20-Nov-17 20:14:24

Not traveling at the wrong time Jen, just going the wrong way!

durhamjen Mon 20-Nov-17 20:06:28

But the schools mentioned in the i are faith schools where it is part of the uniform, 142 Islamic schools, including 27 primary schools.
Whatever you think of faith schools, they have always been part of our society and have always been able to set their own uniform rules.

Jalima1108 Mon 20-Nov-17 20:05:02

I hope she has some thermals, cathedrals and churches could be chilly in January after New Zealand's warm sunshine.

durhamjen Mon 20-Nov-17 20:02:18

The next Bishop of Ripon is starting in January, Eglantine. She's coming from New Zealand.
I guess you think she's travelling at the wrong time.

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 20-Nov-17 20:00:49

Annie it's not a stupid question at all.

The decision about wearing a hijab is traditionally taken after a girl has started puberty. Girls as young as 5 years old are now arriving at primary school wearing them. There is an issue of these girls having no choice about wearing a hijab and the potential for sexualising young girls. It is supposed to be a personal decision once a certain level of maturity has been reached and some girls don't make the decision until they're much older, some choosing to wear it once they're married or have a child. Some Muslim women choose to never wear a head covering.

In this instance I support Ofsted. Parents are ultimately responsible for dressing children, but schools do have the right to set dress codes. Primary school age girls do not normally wear hijabs and it is right that Ofsted looks at this change rather than individual schools. I expect parents will be involved in any enquiries.

Eglantine21 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:58:51

I try to avoid Midwinter whenever possible. Nowhere in the Southern hemisphere has it at this time of year!

GracesGranMK2 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:58:17

I was not describing Christianity as a sect Annie. However some on here seem to have their own version and that would, indeed be a sect.

I repeat, my religion is none of your business unless I choose to share it. I don't choose to do so but there really is no reason why I shouldn't be a Christian outraged by what has been said on here by so called Christians.

Jalima1108 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:58:10

Wow, jalima, you can remember the easter egg thread!
It was about chocolate!

Anniebach Mon 20-Nov-17 19:54:20

Think you are Eglantine, unless you live in a part of the UK which winter passes over

Anniebach Mon 20-Nov-17 19:52:20

GG, calling Christianity a sect is very childish even for you . You are not a Christian so please be honest

Eglantine21 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:49:49

I think Im losing the plot. Millions of people don't celebrate Christmas or Midwinter. How could they when they don't have a midwinter. It doesn't make them Jehovah Witnesses. confused

durhamjen Mon 20-Nov-17 19:49:31

Wow, jalima, you can remember the easter egg thread!

Jalima1108 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:49:11

Was the bottle of gin lying in a manger in the Advent Calendar?

GracesGranMK2 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:47:59

And a Lego city Advent Calendar - is this banned?

Jalima1108 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:47:14

For all you know I am a Christian - just not an extremist.

For all we know you may be a Christian Gracesgran, but that does not seem evident from your posts on here or on other threads (the Easter Egg thread comes to mind).
It would seem from that other thread that you do know quite a lot about Christianity in a theoretical sense but nowhere have I noticed that you claim to be a Christian, in fact the overall impression is that you are not. However, Christianity does seem to be an area of discussion that interests you a lot - are you a theologian?

I could be wrong, of course, often am as another poster would say.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:45:26

Annie it really is none of your business what my religion is or if I have one. If I had wanted to tell you I would - just as you have told us all about the Church of Annie.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:43:34

No answer to whether an advent calendar with gin is a problem to our local Christian sect. It is here

Iam64 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:41:37

Oh for an edit button - we had a choice of two good comprehensives for them, one CofE the other secular. We persuaded the children the CofE school would suit them better. Fortunately, it did and they have very happy memories of school. If the Faith school had been forced to give up its faith base I'd have still been hoped to persuade them to go to that school because its pastoral care was streets ahead of the other school, though both had good academic, drama, music and sporting successes.

Anniebach Mon 20-Nov-17 19:39:32

If you meant you would not be celebrating Christmas or the Mid Winter festival which is the winter solstice then I misread your post, are you a J.W.? If so I apologise

Iam64 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:39:16

The issue of whether a 6 year old is wearing a hijab by 'choice' is similar to asking why a 6 year old 'chose' to go to any faith school.
Its the choice of the parents isn't it. I understand all the arguments against faith schools though I confess that my children enjoyed their CofE high school and certainly weren't indoctrinated in any way.

durhamjen Mon 20-Nov-17 19:38:47

It's lucky that Greggs didn't substitute it for a Jedi light-sabre.

Come to think of it, when do they celebrate?

GracesGranMK2 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:35:28

the poster said she would be celebrating Mid Winter

I said nothing of the sort Annie. Please quote if you believe I did.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 20-Nov-17 19:34:12

Most (I used 'most') Christians 'love one another'

Rather inappropriately and covered up but this so called 'kind to all' religion for decades. Is that going to create respect?

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