BREXIT? Am I just plain stupid?

Was it my imagination or did I read that John Redwood, who has been agitating to leave for years, was recommending financial whizz-people should remove money from the UK as things were going to be so dire?!

The third part of the Brexit agreement which had to be settled was about EU citizens in the UK. It seems to have been forgotten about lately.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/maike-bohn/eu-citizens-rights_b_18571636.html

It doesn't look as though there is going to be any agreement this week, and even if there is, it will be impossible to sort before we leave the EU.

It was a petition on change.org which has closed now. I think it got over three thousand votes.
You can start another one for your village, mostlyharmless.

This is the sort of thng we should be worried about.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/paul-goldsmith/why-tertiary-legislation-hidden_b_18535692.html

When people voted to take back control, did they mean to hand it over to the PM?

'Hordes of people have come forward now to explain what it meant but they were noticeably silent before the vote so if they knew then, they are at fault for not sharing.' Err; I think they did come forward but were branded as 'experts not to be listened to' or drowned out by vile gutterpress newspaper headlines. Not to mention a few worthless soundbites like 'take back control'...

Aha dj and ww. The People's Republic of Brighton and Hove want a local referendum hoping to stay in the EU do they?
My daughter (Brighton resident) would approve. But not sure they stand much chance!
Can I declare a People's Republic for my part of my little village?

I wish I could help Bluegal, but the problem is, no-one really knew what would happen before whether we stayed or left.
Hordes of people have come forward now to explain what it meant but they were noticeably silent before the vote so if they knew then, they are at fault for not sharing.
The only thing that was absolutely certain was that the EU would make things awkward if we tried to leave and THAT is happening. If they had actually been a little more cooperative in the first place, quite possibly this situation would not have arisen.
When we first joined, it wasn't called the EU and certain fiscal standards had to be met before becoming a member. Then the machinery clunked into action and countries which did not meet the criteria were admitted -resulting in economic disaster for some and requests for bail out from others. Now they want money - and did you listen to Mr Juncker's plans for a new EU parliament, new building needing even more staff?

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/george-freeman-brexit-ippr_uk_5a0aecebe4b0bc648a0dafc9?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

Needn't bother about social care if the whole of the UK will be an old people's home.

Sorry, that's going to the NHS.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/aston-martin-warns-it-could-have-to-stop-making-cars-if-brexit-talks-fail_uk_5a0afc58e4b0bc648a0dd499?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

Why is it that only remainers can give concrete examples of the downside of Brexit?
Anyone just got a new sports car?

I would think they feel the money could come from the £350K we have been paying to the EU

Cornwall, which has a population of just 530,000 people, voted resoundingly to leave the EU, with 56.52 per cent opting for leave – more than the national average - compared to 43.48 per cent voting to remain.

Not quite everybody in Cornwall. That sounds like a typical Brexiteer exaggeration.
They asked for special consideration straight after the referendum, even though most of their MPs voted for Brexit. Who do they expect to lose out so they can have more money?

Some of these trade agreements we have with countries outside the EU are done through the EU and those agreements will go on Brexit day. Japan is one of those countries so most trade with them will need to be renegotiated.

"We the People's Republic of Brighton and Hove formerly request that the local city council and local government of Brighton and Hove conduct a serious discussion and view options and opportunities for exiting from the UK and remaining as part of the EU. We request a local referendum is conducted where the residents and citizens of Brighton and Hove can directly choose how to proceed with clear options and mandates given on what an exit would look like, how it might work, how we could structure ourselves economically as part of the EU and which, if any other member states we could align with in order to create a stable local economy as an independent state. Minimally, we request a vote on the full devolution of powers from Westminster to the local city authority to give us full control over local politics, healthcare, laws and the economy. "

For you, whitewave.

We cannot predict the future misdeke but we can make an informed decision based on available data. To undertake a major project on the basis that it might or might not be ok would be foolhardy in the extreme.

Mamie Of course there are choices, no doubt about that, all I was pointing out is that no-one can predict the future, so regardless of the deal we get we cannot know what will happen. Whether we get a hard or a soft deal, whether we deal with Canada etc, we'll never know if we chose the wrong way.

Being in the EU has never stopped us trading with countries outside it.

Over the last year we have been selling a lot more services to Japan. We now sell twice as many services to Japan than Germany our biggest EU consumer. There is a big market place out there in the world so no need to be obsessed with EU. We need to set up trade with more different countries so eggs not all in one basket. We can keep our money and government choose how to spend it instead of paying so much into EU.

newnanny, which lawyers calculate we owe much less? Where has a legal opinion on the matter been published? Most discussion indicates that it is far more complex than coming up with a list. See for example www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/eu-divorce-bill

Dogsjj, if we're going to trade with foreigners, and most people seem to think that we want to do that, then we will be subject to rules that aren't of our own making. It's unavoidable. No unelected officials are making our laws, nor ever did. Parliament has always been the only law making body in the UK.

willa; yes, the similarities are frightening. I am on an American political facebook page and sometimes I have to read things twice to see which country is being referred to.

I have been following debate and progress but it seems the EU have not presented an itemised bill that their own EU lawyers agree. Davis gets told different amounts at each meeting but no item for item bill. They appear to give he general areas which he attempts to go through line by line to check if we agree we owe money. Our lawyers calculate we owe much less than EU is demanding. We should pay what we legally have to not a penny more or less. The reason EU are dragging out negotiations is when we leave they will have black funding hole with only 3 out of 27 making net contribution.

Dogsjj you are not alone. I agree with your sentiments.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the situations you describe in the UK are strikingly similar to what's happening here in the US and to varying degrees in places like Spain, Latin America and elsewhere around the world.

Like many of you here, I too have trouble understanding the 'why's and wherefores' of everything that's going on. I can't make any sense of all the 'unsuitable' appointments, surprise electoral outcomes and irrational decisions made by new leaders. For the most part, they all have little or no accreditation or experience to carry out the responsibilities they have been entrusted with.

I did not vote for our current President and was surprised and dismayed when we lost what seemed like a free and fair election. I couldn't help wondering if someone had deliberately interfered with our electoral process in order to undermine our Democracy and destroy our way of life.

I now know that I was not alone in that assessment. We have since learned that the US election was deliberately manipulated by Russian hackers. If the other side of our government continues to shed light on this, we may be able to learn how far this really goes.

New policies and decisions over healthcare, budgets, taxes and education don't make much sense when they run counter to preserving a sound way of governing and to preserve the ordinary things we all value in life. More dangerous still is the threat of nuclear proliferation or climate change and making policy changes that now threaten our planet and our survival as a species.

So, for whatever it's worth, I often find myself asking, "What manner of people are these, what is it they seek and who are 'they'?" Really!

Too right tegan

I think you'll find we're actually governed by a group of people [eg ReeMogg/Gove/Johnson/Redwood] who have no idea about the lives of ordinary people in this country. Oh, and they're the ones that make the rules, too. And their is not going to be a European Army; it's fake news and even if it wasn't we'd still have been able to veto it.

Oh no dogs there are quite a few but they never seem to have anything positive about Brexit to say, except quoting verbatim the stories they’ve been spun, which are so wrong and Ill informed