Double standards between the sexes

I think GracesGran's comments were highly pertinent to the OP. If a statement is made implying that men get a bad deal because there are "double standards", why should that not be responded to?

As has been said before, if women grope, intimidate, threaten or demean men by their words or actions, they too should be subject to disciplinary measures or prosecution. But, until this particular issue arose, men appear not to have related incidents of this nature either informally to their friends and relatives or more formally to their employers and the police, whereas women have.

Bridgeit, the OP is not lost. I haven't seen any posts saying that women using their power to put men into compromising, harassing or illegal situations should not be treated in the same way that men should be i.e., no double standards.

But that is not what you wanted to discuss, was it?

Reluctantly I am replying to you GG,mostly to apologies to OP which it seems we have hijacked by our comments to each other, it is clear to me we do not understand each other's mindset or delivery. I will leave it there.

or on

I am sure that, although grand-parenting covers a wide age group, none of us are that young Bridgeit. I too would consider myself of an older generation. I do not, however, think that gives me the authority to tell the young how to behave.

I do really dislike the idea that 'we' as the older generation, know why each individual fought in the war - unless of course you are well into your 90s when you will know why you joined up - if you did. That same dislike applies to the aims of those who fought for suffrage where you would have to be even older to know how they felt. Jumping on that bandwagon while using misogynist tropes seems to me to lack any reasoning.

None of what I said previously or here was sarcastic. I intended everything I said; there was no attempt a irony. Nor was anything I said derogatory. It was fact.

especially when they cannot accept any one else's opinion and therein lies the problem. You expect me to agree with you - I don't. You have every right to put forward an opinion. You do not have a right to expect agreement with that opinion.

I am that older generation, GG & one who dislikes Sarcasam as a way of trying to make a point , especially when they cannot accept any one else's opinion without being derogatory.

Oh dear, that first sentence is much like the "that's what we fought the war for" that we often hear from the older generation.

International Women's Day is on the 8th March Bridgeit. You may also like to know that a statue to Millicent Fawcett is going up Parliament Square next year to celebrate the centenary of women winning the right to vote, but I expect you know all about that with your strong claims to the suffrage movement.

Ideally in all seriousness as I have posted already it would do us all good to remember & honour the bravery of The Suffragettes ,I beleive it is encumberant on us to do so.
In fact thinking about it. I am surprised that there isn't a special day to commemorate what they did to kick start the independence & rights for woman.

????

I don't think you know many 'modern'women bridgeit.

Too much information.

Well GG in the words of modern women , 'Not As Often As I would like!!! ?'

You really don't get it do you Bridgeit.

98% of sexual abuse is committed by men. The majority of all violence in the world is committed by men. This is not because there are hordes of aggressive female roaming the world and men are too scared to speak out, it's because our world has a huge problem with men, as a class. Let's listen respectfully to all the people who are speaking up about the abuse they have suffered at the hands of men. Let's not belittle, derail or immediately go on the defence. Lets. Just. Listen.

Anitampl, I just reread your OP,yes I do believe in some cases their are double standards, yes I do believe some women do need to behave better I guess it's about appropriate situations really , maybe in a group of mixed sex ,like minded people , it's Ok ish, , but generally speaking I do think standards have dropped & we have all become too tolerant to innuendo & vulgarities . Hard to believe (as I have said before) that the sufferegetes gave fought so much for woman's rights, I don't think they did that so we could be as equally as crude as some men , Ahh time for a nice cup of tea, best China of course with my little finger sticking out ,ohh & I must change my crinoline ??

Whenever there is an issue about the unequal treatment of women, there are always men (and, surprisingly, women) who immediately jump in and try to demonstrate how men are just as, if not more, disadvantaged as women:

When women complain about the high price of sanitary products, men say they too have a problem - they have to shave.

Now it appears that, just like women, men get post-natal depression;

It is also said that men get menopausal symptoms every bit as unpleasant as women;

When issues of domestic violence against women come up, there is the inevitable comment that men too can be victims of this type of assault - but I don't believe it is the case that 2 men a week are killed by their female partners or 1 in 4 of them will experience domestic violence in their lifetimes.

The majority of women have suffered some sort of sexual harassment and a significant number have been seriously sexually assaulted or raped. Now that this issue has been brought into the open, men try to turn the tables by saying they too have been sexually harassed by women.

There were 23,851 reports of adult rapes in 2015-2016 and 11,947 reports of child rapes. Whilst some of the adult figure relates to rape of a male, the vast majority of rapes are against women and children - and in all cases it is men who commit this crime.

Women should not sexually harass or intimidate men and any that do should bear the same consequences as men. But I would be surprised if, when questioned, large numbers of our male partners and relatives could give us several examples of times when they were sexually harassed/intimidated or in danger of being physically overpowered by a woman/women.

Double standards means it is acceptable for men to behave like this but not women
That is certainly what double standards means but I don't understand why you are saying "I actually see it as the reverse of your position". That would mean you would be saying that double standards are okay as I was saying - and I think others understood me to be saying - that it is not.

I think that this behaviour is about power and bullying
Again I don't see how it is the reverse of what I am saying when what I said was which is not about sex it is about power which seems to be exactly the same to me.

I have read and heard little or nothing to suggest in anyway that women are the problem. This thread did set out to show that women in power - as the customer having power over employees in the case described - can behave in the same way. I totally agree and believe that this is at least inappropriate and possible illegal and should be treated in exactly the same why. I have not said anything to imply I do not.

However, Gemmag and Bridgeit took the thread away from the OP as I said to you It is just using whataboutism to lead us away from the actual problem. Both described not the abuse of power but the behavior of women as if it was an excuse for the inappropriate and possibly illegal behavior of men in power. They are not the only ones on GN or elsewhere to have done this over the past few days.

GG, I actually see it as the reverse of your position. Double standards means it is acceptable for men to behave like this but not women

I think that this behaviour is about power and bullying and not about sex has been fully recognised by almost everyone involved in the current furore, from the time the story first came out about Harvey Weinstein, I have read and heard little or nothing to suggest in anyway that women are the problem.

M0nica it goes back to what several of us have said all along. I think the whole idea of "double standards" is an attempt to paint women as the problem - sadly by other women. It is just using whataboutism to lead us away from the actual problem which is not about sex it is about power. Anyone, of any sex should not misuse their power against anyone of any sex.

Bridgeit, I have asked you how many people you know in this position several times and you haven't told us.

Jeremy Kyle accesses and displays the least able in society - who are not large in number - and parades them as they used to do with people with dwarfism, which we now know is often caused by metabolic and hormonal disorders, or women with beards also a hormonal imbalance. We also know that there are often good reasons why people live chaotic lives and parading them on Jeremy Kyle is no better than putting them in a circus booth.

So I repeat, why do you think you should be attacking the very few women in the position you describe on a thread about double standards between the sexes. It took one of each sex to create any such child.

janeayressister. The fact that women are not likely to rape a man, does not make their sexual aggression less serious. The majority of men who sexually harass women do not go on to rape them either.

Sexual aggression whether exercised by men or women is about power and bullying and about intimidating and getting pleasure from humiliating those who are younger, or weaker or less able to defend themselves than other people and men sexually harass other men as well as women.

In this case sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose.There is even less excuse than ever (if there ever was an excuse) for double standards.

Also & sadly the Jeremy Kyle show represents part of our society, some watch it , some scorn it,some live the sad lives portrayed on it , my opinion IS NOT FORMED BY ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT .

And an awful lot of presumptions , unbelievable really but sadly true, probably best you just have a conversation in the mirror with yourselves, then you won't need to look or understand anything beyond your own spheres

A lot of arrogance on here

I think you could be right ILC.