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A phone app has changed her husband.

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Day6 Fri 30-Jun-17 19:47:52

How would you feel if the man in your life was totally fixated by looking at photos of women?

An old friend is at her wit's end. We spoke about her husband's behaviour over a year ago. She said she noticed he'd been using his phone much more. If she came into the room he'd flinch, close down his phone immediately and carry on as if nothing was wrong. However, my friend says she has caught him in the act. He has some sort of app on his phone that gives him pictures of women in saucy poses, in various states of undress, but mainly showing lots of cleavage. It's not porn but it's very suggestive. She says she has often looked over his shoulder from outside the room, when he was unaware she was there. She has also feigned sleep and lolls over to his side of the bed to glimpse his phone.

She says she knows his movements now as he does it so often. The screen is brightly lit, he is scrolling down, has a voting system for them, so checks boxes and zooms in and out of the pictures. He holds his phone close to his chest and uses the flap of the cover to keep it all out of view.

If she asks what he's checking, he says Facebook or Whatsapp messages and she knows he is lying to her. What breaks her heart is that she says he lies in bed next to her checking his phone while she is reading. He has a cover on his phone and uses the cover as a shield to hide the screen.

She says this has been going on for about two years, and he doesn't even look guilty any longer if she interrupts him in the middle of his fun. He is on his phone for hours when she leaves him alone. She checks in, discreetly and he isn't even aware she is peeking around the door, he is so engrossed.

Looking at women has become an obsession. She asked me if she should confront him about what has become a daily habit. Every time he sits down, if he is not watching TV he is on his phone. She knows from the bright glare and his hand movements that he is liking photos and enlarging them.

I said I'd have been very angry and would have read him the riot act. She was close to tears and says she feels he is disrespecting her. The longer it goes on, the less close to him she feels. She thinks if she does confront him she'll cry, because she feels so hurt and betrayed and she will pack her bags and leave him, or at least tell him their life together is over. She says they haven't had an intimate relationship for years, they are both in their 60s, but they've always had a loving, close one.

She says part of her should turn a blind eye to it because he isn't really unfaithful. She thinks she will lose so much if she calls it a day. They have a lovely home together, a nice family and joint friends.

My feeling is that I'd be outraged if my partner carried on in this way and I'd either end it or demand he ends his relationship with the app which allows him to access other women 24/7. She says he was using it all the time when they were on holiday and she felt so alone and found herself not being able to talk to him properly. She lost enthusiasm for all the usual sightseeing, evening drinks, socialising.

She is suffering. I said she shouldn't suffer in silence but she is very torn about where she stands and whether she wants to be with him any more. She is also worried about breaking up a happy home and losing everything they've had together.

Confronting him has to be the only solution I said, but for some reason she is reluctant to do so. Any thoughts?

Marion58 Sun 02-Jul-17 14:21:02

Fronto temporal dementia - well there's a trillion males out there suffering from it then.

Don't get me wrong I don't like it whatsoever but there aren't many men who don't love looking at women if they dared to be truthful.

I've finished with men because of it. Now I have to accept it's part of their genes or be alone. However I couldn't put up with someone openly surfing the net etc but if the man thinks it's natural what can you do? Being alone isn't for every one.

Diddy1 Sun 02-Jul-17 12:59:00

I agree with Vickya, get an app, or say you are getting one of hunky men, I wonder what the reaction wil be.

catwoman Sun 02-Jul-17 12:18:31

Many years ago I knew my hubby watched porn with his ' mates'. I deceided to ask if I could see one. Then do I walk out the room or comment on what little clothing I could see. I did the latter,we had a laugh & now 50 years + later we still have a very healthy happy marriage where we can watch & talk about anything at all. If you can't beat 'em join them, you might find it fun!!!!

ethelwulf Sun 02-Jul-17 12:14:56

Could be a sign of the early onset of dementia, which sometimes presents obsessional and uncharacteristic behaviour. In any case, it's no-one's business but theirs, and it's up to the couple to seek guidance etc., and not for any outsider, however well-intentioned, to butt in... How you or I would react is irrelevant. The circumstances are specific to them, as is the achievement of any solution...

starbird Sun 02-Jul-17 11:47:27

I don't think looking at women scantily dressed is, in itself, harmful. You only have to open any paper or magazine, or walk arounf the park, a nightclub, the beach, etc to see them. Neither is giving them a score harmful although it is more what I would expect of pre teen boys to be doing.

What is wrong here is the addiction to it, putting it above real life relationships even on holiday.Like any addiction this is a marriage breaker. I would suggest confronting him about the addiction, rather than the content, and try to persuade him to leave his phone behind when going out together, or for certain periods at home, and certainly in bed. Also, it may help if they address the lack of a full physical relationship in their lives, as this behaviour may be a substitute for it (a relatively harmless one considering some of the alternatives). If there is a reason that makes a full relationship impossible they may find other ways to satisfy each other's needs. It sounds as though the couple have a comfortable relationship apart from this.
Another alternative would be for the wife to treat it as a joke and suggest that he shares the pictures with her and they compare their scores! He might soon tire of it then (but if he has suppressed desires he may then find another less harmless outlet for them). If they can talk and resolve it, that would be best, if not, find a Counsellor. That might be painful for both sides but less so than a divorce.

Moocow Sun 02-Jul-17 11:41:04

I too was going to say what youngagain has said. I would first try talking to a doctor about it in the hope they can be of some help, just in case it is medical.

Legs55 Sun 02-Jul-17 11:30:36

I think I would have confronted him in a "jokey" way as soon as I found out. This approach would have worked with my DH not that he would have known how to work a smart phone let alone download apps, he was a real "Technophobe". Definitely needs to sort this out or it will fester, fueling resentment. I do like the idea of a letter if that would feel easier especially after 2 years of "ignoring" this issue.

Misskitkatcupcake Sun 02-Jul-17 11:13:54

I hate to say this but I don't think that's just an app for sexy pictures, I think it's probably an app for "working girls" - you browse and make appointments; that's why they post the pictures. I'm very sorry.

minxie Sun 02-Jul-17 11:10:36

It's unbelievable that she has allowed this to go on for so long unchecked. She needs to lay down the law it's the app or his wife. It's disrespectful and downright rude. She should of said something along time ago. My partner would of only been caught once and he would be in fear of his life. This kind of thing makes my blood boil. This poor lady is suffering and he has no idea. Time to read the riot act

morningdew Sun 02-Jul-17 11:03:25

my question would be why are they not having a sexual relationship, seems to me he is doing this to provoke a response from her, it may not be the best way but maybe the only way he knows,she needs to bring it out in the open in a calm way and discuss this rationally and concentrate on their sexual relationship which he is probably hoping to resume

Juney64 Sun 02-Jul-17 11:01:41

I agree with Rhinestone - he's straying. To me, any man whose head is filled with thoughts of other women to this extent is just as guilty of straying as someone who is actually having an affair. It's disrespectful and hurtful. I feel so sorry for your friend. Her self esteem must be at rock bottom along with her respect for him.

OP said 'a phone app has changed her husband'. I always try to remember that behind everything that is typed on a computer / phone is a real person. These are real people your friend's husband is looking at / chatting with. It's a minefield. It's natural for men and women to admire attractive people but not to the extent you have described. He's neglecting his wife in favour of other women.

This is an awful way for your friend to live and if it were me, I'd have to confront him. There are excellent suggestions here on how to go about this. If she doesn't, her deep unhappiness will continue.

Best of luck to her. She's very lucky to have you as her friend.

NemosMum Sun 02-Jul-17 10:54:36

Agree with Youngagain, it could be an early sign of fronto-temporal dementia. Another possibility is an unpleasant side-effect of some Parkinson's drugs (obsessive gambling, spending or sexual behaviour). It's worth considering before taking any precipitative action.

Tessa101 Sun 02-Jul-17 10:47:16

How can she even consider not confronting him and carrying on as if it's not happening when she is suffering so much and it's even afffected there holiday.Good advice already given but she must act.

hazel311259 Sun 02-Jul-17 10:44:08

Think he's trying to make himself feel youthful again would of been better to of been addressed earlier he thinks it's ok now it's the amount of time he's on it that's concerning just a thought is he on any medication i knew somebody in workplace who's personality changed on amitriptyline became a letch hasten to add it doesn't affect all people in this way think you need to speak honestly with him explain how you feel

NanaandGrampy Sun 02-Jul-17 10:42:29

Staying silent is enabling him to carry on .

Only by sitting down and telling him how she feels can change happen.

Currently he's having his cake and eating it Day6 . It's unacceptable behaviour whether it is looking at naked women or playing an online game , he is choosing this over time spent with her. Quite frankly, she wouldn't lose much by leaving him, he's not present in their relationship anyway.

I feel very sorry for her.

WendyBT Sun 02-Jul-17 10:33:08

I think I would laugh at him about it! (Looking forward to Poldark this evening?)

Rhinestone Sun 02-Jul-17 10:30:45

He is straying. You can stray with alcohol and drugs why not with his app? This is his drug of choice. He has made a choice and has become obsessed with it. Before I would confront him I would get some counseling to make sure if and how I should do it. We are all going to need rehab for phone addicts someday I'm afraid.

sarahellenwhitney Sun 02-Jul-17 10:26:38

Day 6. I would,to start with, be devastated and secondly very concerned.
What makes a man be so obsessed and spend so much time looking at pictures of women.?Your friend needs professional help in how she should deal with what is so upsetting for her
What man doesn't look at other women but in this instance that guy is most surely OTT and if it was my partner I would be very very worried .

Marion58 Sun 02-Jul-17 10:23:28

From my experience I believe most men would spend a lot of time looking at this app if they feel they could get away with it. Seems it's the nature of the beast and the downside of their personalities. All she can try and do is ask him not to do it so blatantly.

I live with one of the kindear of men but from a spelling mistake on my search engine I knew he had been looking for someone he knew who had posed foe a calendar. My lady boss said I shouldn't deny him a little pleasure! Needless to say he doesn't do searches on the PC and is not interested in having a smartphone so has to put up with not missing seeing a female within a mile!

Bluebe11 Sun 02-Jul-17 10:17:13

Me being me I would shock him by announcing over breakfast that she has decided that she wants an " open" relationship ! That will get his attention and she can go on to explain that he is getting his " kicks" from his phone, so what about her "kicks". Men are stimulated visually, women are stimulated emotionally. Any relationship is about 2 people being relatively happy without controlling behaviour. If you know someone is being hurt by your constant actions, if you truly value that person you change things. If he won't change, it's time to go, as it's a total lack of respect and care for your feelings. My friends husband was addicted to porn, it made her feel so worthless she left in the end telling him he could watch it all day and night now. He didn't even try to understand her feelings. We are all entitled to be happy and respected.

kooklafan Sun 02-Jul-17 10:15:55

He is definitely disrespecting her but part of me want's to say "at least he's not straying in real life" then another part wants to add "yet". DH and I are happy but when we first started courting he was a terrible flirt, really bad. I told him that unless he cut it out, toned it down we would have to call it a day. I told him that the way he interacted with other women was inappropriate and was very hurtful and disrespectful to me as his girlfriend and if he wanted to behave that way he should be single. It worked, He did tone down his behaviour but even now, every so often he gets over excited and I have to rein him in again. She is going to have to tell him, even if she cries, at least he will see how much it is hurting her. If he loves her he will stop. If not, well, at least she will know where she stands otherwise the only alternative is to continue pretending she doesn't know and just monitor him but if she does that then she's not being true to herself. I truly hope she finds the strength to confront him and wish her all the very best XX

FarNorth Sun 02-Jul-17 10:13:52

A letter sounds like the best option.

I can imagine how your friend feels and that the good suggestions on how to speak to her DH whether seriously or jokily, could be too upsetting for her.

She'd have to speak to him after he'd read the letter, of course.

moxeyns Sun 02-Jul-17 09:58:02

Relate might help. The process is excellent - very supportive of the woman (I found), and allows you to talk both to your partner in a controlled environment, but also to pour out your heart to the councellor.

Coco51 Sun 02-Jul-17 09:57:53

It is a pity the husband feels the need to view the pictures surreptitiously, but my son has a saying 'You can look at the menu as much as you like, as long as you eat at home'. I wonder if this is a substitute for the couple actually having sex - it's very easy to slip into the mode of wanting and enjoying sex but not getting round to it as life encroaches. How would your friend feel about looking at the images with her husband and also rating and/or talking about them together and having a giggle? I can imagine the constant viewing makes the wife feel unloved, maybe the husband is reacting to a similar feeling of his own. I know my bod is droopy and there's too much of it, but I say to my partner he shouldn't feel any guilt if he wants to look at saucy pictures - we are together because we want to be, not because we have to be, and if he didn't want me there would be little point in trying to persuade him otherwise - no-one is happy with a reluctant partner, as I learned in my too-long marriage.

harrysgran Sun 02-Jul-17 09:57:37

Download an app of hunky men and leave the phone where he can see it he will soon get the message