AIBU re MCR collection?

I don't believe this so maybe transparency is the answer. I also don't believe that this culture really wants to integrate into our society.

On BBC Scotland News tonight a Muslim spokesperson pointed out that none of the so-called Muslim Terrorists had a live connection with any local Mosque. Just as the vast majority of young people in Britain - whether criminals or good citizens only appear in church for weddings and funerals.

I'm pretty sure most broadcasting companies would welcome a very high coverage from the muslim community at this time.

One of the reasons Im an athiest mcem.

I have not seen anything substantial coming from people of the muslim faith.

Have heard/read a great deal in the media where various reresentatives of Islam have condemned the atrocities vehemently but I'd guess saak and I don't access the same media.
If you are/were a practising Christian when IRA
were bombing and murdering, did you feel you had to stand up and explain that it wasn't being done in your name?
For most of us it was a given that they that were an extremist minority.

How about being transparent, people with nothing to hide would welcome this. How about coming out in support for the land you live in instead of heads of mosques saying nothing.

Loosing a child can have financial implications. A family member, a single parent, lost her only child when she was 16 a few years ago, Her mother has been unable to work full time since then due to an ongoing depressive illness. She has been unable to pay bills, and will soon have to move and leave her home with all its memories of her child. There is no fund to help. Let's hope those parents who lost a child in Manchester are given as much help as is needed, financial and emotional.

Here's another idea.
How about stopping the 'trade deals' that supply dodgy middle-eastern regimes with arms which they pass on (along with cash support) to the terrorists who share their views on repressive and extremist Islam? Unlike the vast majority who worship in our local mosques and get on with their peaceful lives.

Facebook/google, u-tube and any other site carrying such disgusting hate filled content need to be shut down until they can prove they are totally clean of it/have things in place to never allow it again.

Every head of every mosque in the country needs to stand up and nationally condemn such vile activity. An anti terrorist police presence needs to be posted in every mosque now in the country 24 hours a day.

The list is endless really, just two things that come to mind.

This is what I would want if one of my loved ones was a victim of such a hideous crime.

Donating is not the answer. Something has got to be done to stop this slaying of innocent people.

I would question it too. I do hope it's not going to fund thousands of soft toys and flowers left to rot in the rain which will benefit nobody but the pockets of flower producers and toy manufacturers.

Better, IMO, to raise income tax a little more to help fund better emergency services, desperately needed more than ever.

I think it would be a lot more sensible for a collective charity to be set up so victims of all these atrocities can be helped. Will the latest victims in London, for instance, get the same support as those in Manchester?
It seems to me that no amount of money can compensate for the loss of a child but money certainly takes one worry from the shoulders of children that have lost one or both parents or from injured parents that have to support a family.
My nieces partner lost a friend in Manchester, A very sad loss but I can't understand why my sister spent a day weeping when she doesn't cry for all the other victims . She had never met the poor young man. They are all valuable lives but non more important or sad than another.

It is interesting to think that a lot of charity comes from our taxes Jalima. I was aware of that but don't think about it very often. I wonder if we shouldn't see regular updates on what, exactly, we are funding.

After the Kids Company debacle I am not happy that the Conservative government decided to throw good money after bad with know one to stop them and that really did make me wonder where OUR charity is going and why there isn't a cross party group to control this.

I also wonder how many areas that should be out and out government supported which are being held up by charities. I think very clear transparency would help with this. I can't find a list for tax money sent to charities; I wonder if anyone else knows where to find one?

saak when I said I would be reluctant to donate I mean to donate to anyone who may be rattling a collecting tin saying 'this is for Manchester' without accreditation, as, sadly, there are people who take advantage of tragic events as evidenced by the ticket sales for the concert although there re many kind, well-meaning people who have to do something practical to help and the supermarket lady is probably one of them.

That is not to say that we do not donate regularly to the charities of our choice which can use money as they see fit whether here or overseas.

GGMK2 yes, just because other news has taken over the airtime doesn't mean that Syrian children and refugees from other places are not still in need of our help.

gardenmanperhaps you didn't know that a lot of charity money comes from government.
It is channelled through charities because they have the set-up, the people in place to be able to use these resources most effectively.

My feelings were the same as the rest about the cash collections. However i began to realise that there will be Mothers who will stop working to look after children with life changing injuries. There will be cases where homes have to be adapted to for disabled children and adults among the seriously injured. I just hope the money raised will be managed by trustees who do so in a compassionate and caring way and donate extra cash to children's charities.

I think there will be many ongoing problems for the people who are injured and the families of both those killed and injured.

fundraising.co.uk/2017/05/31/charity-set-distribute-love-manchester-funds/#.WTOnx7pFxZU

I always feel worried if people are not attached to a particular charity but I would have thought the supermarket either organised this or checked the 'nice lady' out.

I do wish our news would make us more aware of the deaths in Syria, etc. I have a friend who works tirelessly for Syria relief.

I do not agree with Gardenman's statement about deporting family of terrorist to their country of origin. A family is not responsible for one member's acts

Jane10 giving to one group of people doesn't preclude giving to any others, just because people are giving for the Manchester atrocity they may also be donating to bona Fide organisations helping those abroad suffering from terrorism too.

Claudiaclaws - the people in this tragedy also came from:

Oswestry
Preston
Bury
Halewood
Oldham
York
Sheffield
Blackpool
Goostrey
Leeds
South Shields
Otley
Gateshead
Barra

This is not solely Manchester's tragedy.

Granny23 - I was interested to read about the funeral firms. I'm in the West Midlands and some years ago a Co-Op funeral director told me that they never charged for children's funeral. Someone else said that this was the case with most, if not all, firms. I was wondering whether this compassionate gesture is still the case.
Some very thoughtful posts on this thread. Personally I understand why people lay flowers but wouldn't do so myself. I'd write in a remembrance book, light a candle or contribute to the planting of a tree. The Red Cross and Medecins sans Frontieres are among the charities I would support without misgivings.

I agree with Jalima on this one. It also get's on my nerves when celebs jump on the band wagon.

You're a miserable lot! I wouldn't give a penny to anyone in Kabul or any Asian country. But that isn't to say I don't feel sorry for them.
If I was in government, I wouldn't pay anything overseas for a year. Try and get our own finances in order.
We are still paying money to India who have asked us not to, said they don't want it, and we still do it.
I suspect that many of you don't live in the north, the money that has been donated will be a great help to the people involved in the tragedy in Manchester.
Walk a mile in anther mans shoes.

I think that if a terriost carries out a sicking act like that in Manchester. Then it should be the govement who pays out compensation to the victims and their families it is not for charities to start colllecting most of which would go on admin.
The family of terriost should also be deported as a matter of course to the country of their origin.