Do the Millennials moan too much?

IDK where my post went, but ITA with what you posted.

Maggiemaybe I agree.

"Yes, I've no issue at all with the age change, Norah, it had to come and is only fair. The issue is with the very steep rate of its introduction - in other countries they managed to ensure that nobody lost more than 18 months pension payment, it's wrong that a relatively small group lose a full 6 years - and the lack of notice. Many women had made commitments to retire at a certain age and help with childcare, etc, and then had to renege on these."

You have my sympathy too Margs. The changes have been quite iniquitous imo.

You are probably right PamelaJ1; they may well be being judgmental about the spending rather than what the spending is on. I just think this has always been the case. Generation after generation has tried to tell young people that they know better than they do - and they may but I doubt the young will listen anymore now than they did in the past and the old will only be as right as they were in the past. Different generations have different experience and can only use that if they do not try and learn about why the other generation behaves the way it does.

Yes, definitely. You only have to look at them the wrong way and they're trying to sue you

Yes, I've no issue at all with the age change, Norah, it had to come and is only fair. The issue is with the very steep rate of its introduction - in other countries they managed to ensure that nobody lost more than 18 months pension payment, it's wrong that a relatively small group lose a full 6 years - and the lack of notice. Many women had made commitments to retire at a certain age and help with childcare, etc, and then had to renege on these.

Sorry, yes, it is a bit off-thread. But someone did say earlier that millennials may not be able to retire till they're 70. At least none of them started working at 15!

The age change to 66 is dandy. The implementation and inequality is where I see some issue.

Graces gran- I'm not sure if the posters are criticising mobile phones, only questioning if the money spent on them could go towards something more substantial if the owners are hard up.
When we lived in Devon we had a pay phone just at the bottom of the garden. (Other side of the wall) My family used to ring us on that , sometimes by arrangement sometimes someone passing would answer and knock on our door! We were up to our eyes in mortgage payments so couldn't afford one indoors!

I can't go on the waspi march but am meaning to donate on the site. After all they are fighting for me. I get my pension on the 8th of March. Maybe we need a separate thread for this?

www.waspi.co.uk

You have my sympathy, Margs! There are so many women in your position, left sandwiched between caring for the elderly and looking after the young. Many having paid into the system since they started work at 15, and now having to wait till they're 66 to get their pensions.

I'm off down to the WASPI demo on 8 March, to make a lot of noise....

I helped with grandchildren due to alarming pre-school nursery costs,took responsibility for my husband's elderly and increasingly detached parents (he'd helpfully gone off to "find himself" by then - God knows where he is!) and the Governments thanks was to up the State Pension age by six years for me, whilst helpfully cutting down on social care for my estranged husband's folk.

And being told by Baroness Altmann (who could have eased this situation when she was Pensions Minister)that there "is no magic pot of money, ladies" left me speechless.....

norah My step step daughter doesnt have any children and would not under any circumstances lift a hand to help anyone. She sits on her backside on fakebook and expects her poor husband to cook dinner when he gets home. She has had 2 dogs in the last 8 months, the first she took back to the dog home because he was too big and started snapping at her, which was her fault for keeping the poor thing in a cage and never walking it, now has a springer pup that has never been walked.
Her problem is that she ran away from home at 16 ended up in hostels with care workers to do everything for her for 2 years, married her poor husband as she had to leave the hostel and as he was in the army it meant they could have a married quarter and she wouldnt end up on the street.
So to answer the question, no she doesnt work, she cant even be bothered to do the housework and at 22 doesnt believe she should get a job

I think that's a very good point GracesGran2

I remember my grandma and grandpa didn't have a fridge - I don't think many older people did then. They had some sort of "larder" under the stairs that they managed to keep cool somehow. They were used to, and perfectly satisfied with, that arrangement. My parents, whilst they were nowhere near as well off as my grandparents, bought a fridge. Isn't it natural that younger people tend to be more open to new things and more likely to want to acquire them, especially if they save time and energy?

I, like many others, experienced a freezing cold house with no central heating, chilblains, holidays spent in shabby caravans on dismal caravan sites, etc. etc. I feel that that is no reason for me to begrudge young people a better life. Unfortunately, I feel that - despite these sorts of material and energy-saving advances - in many ways their lives are more difficult and stressful.

The main difference is that before sacrifice made owning a house achievable, now it isn't for some, at all, ever.

I am sure people frowned when telephones where fitted in homes - other than their own. Aren't you just showing your age and lack of understanding that life has moved on?

Many people do not even have a land-line phone any more and there will probably come a time when we look back on them like the horse and cart, charming but of little use in the modern world.

“When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself”

grannypiper "lizzypopbottle my step step daughter and her Husband pay over £50 a month each for their mobiles, worst part is she doesnt even work"

Does she stay home with children? Does she volunteer? What constitutes working thereby justifying a voda?

lizzypopbottle my step step daughter and her Husband pay over £50 a month each for their mobiles, worst part is she doesnt even work

Yorkshiregirl But if you believe the Government people love zero hours contracts ! i think that survey was taken amongst students

lizzypopbottle I agree. Even their mobile 'phone bills make your eyes water.

I can't see the links in posts lizzy - you haven't been hacked have you?

But there are links appearing at the top of the page for a certain DIY store selling paint and another for a brand of sofas which I have never bought! which often happens if you click on a thread on here, an advert pops up relating to what is mentioned in the thread.

Look! There's another one!

I think there's a tech issue here. I went to the decorating thread and there's a link in rubysong's post on p2. I'm sure it's unintentional. It takes you to a host website and on, in these two cases to videophone and eBay. I've reported it.

I didn't intend that link to latest mobile phones! It just appeared!

We've been here before! As an engaged couple, we started saving for a deposit as soon as the (very modest) ring was on my finger. We scrimped, saved and did without. We didn't start our family for several years. This seems like an alien concept to many younger people. Just the amount some people spend on booze, takeaway food and nights out is quite shocking. Many still smoke and the cost of that is eye watering! Latest mobile phone, iPad etc., pricey! The average amount spent on a wedding these days is a whopping £24,000! Add all that together and there's your deposit, or a good start anyway.