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sunseeker Wed 04-Jan-17 08:44:16

Some of you may be aware of a campaign to get an honour awarded to the last of the dambusters. George "Johnny" Johnson, now 95 was interviewed about this on local radio this morning during which he explained how during the raid a shot came through the undercarriage, bursting a tyre on the way, through a wing and lodged above the head of the navigator. When asked if he was frightened his reply "Anyone seeing that would be slightly apprehensive".

chocolatepudding Sat 28-Jan-17 16:34:18

Update - the petition with over 200,000 signatures was delivered to 10 Downing Street last Thursday 26 January. Let's see what happens.

Thank you to everyone who signed the petition.

paddyann Fri 06-Jan-17 13:50:26

he was doing what they all did ,all the young men and women who were sent into war didn't have a say they did it because they were told to.He s been awarded the appropriate "gongs" for his part ,thats all that should be done.Many didn't come back ,many camme back damaged mentally and physically and were left to get on with it with little support.Ms Vorderman should put effort into getting help for all those who live in poverty and the ones who live on the streets despite their military service ,the government should be ashamed of how these people are neglected.A knighthood wouldn't pay the bills ,a decent pension and help with integrating into cilivilian life is what should be happening

chocolatepudding Fri 06-Jan-17 13:33:05

Has anyone seen the Matt cartoon in today's Telegraph? He hits the nail on the head as usual - and the cartoon refers to Johnny Johnson.

Thanks to everyone who has signed the petition.

DanniRae Fri 06-Jan-17 10:05:28

I have just signed the petition.

sunseeker Thu 05-Jan-17 15:05:17

belleisabelle As I mentioned previously he has said if he did receive an honour he would want it dedicated to all the airmen who lost their lives and in particular to those in his squadron. Please remember he is not pressing for this honour himself, it is something that he was nominated for by others and the current campaign is the result of this being turned down.

EmilyHarburn Thu 05-Jan-17 14:49:38

Have just signed the petition for George to be given the honor. Amazing injustice that he was nominated but not given one.

chocolatepudding Thu 05-Jan-17 14:12:26

My father was a Lancaster bomber pilot in 1944 and was awarded the DFC. He never spoke of his time in the RAF. The men were told not to speak of their work and they didn't. However he wrote a daily journal about his tour of 30 ops in the Lancaster which I now have together with his medals and RAF log book.

I have signed the petition and here are the details for anyone else who wishes to sign:

www.change.org/p/give-britain-s-last-surviving-dambuster-hero-a-knighthood?recruiter=65026695&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

Thank you

bellsisabelle Thu 05-Jan-17 13:25:07

But, if all the other dambusters didn't get one of these gongs, why should he? For staying alive longer? As Dd says, they were honoured at the time.

Diddy1 Thu 05-Jan-17 12:30:23

I totally agree, George "Johnny" Johnson should have been given a Knighthood without a petition, I have signed the petition, so lets hope he recieves his reward in time for him to know he is a true heroe in everyones eyes.Bless this lovely man.

daphnedill Thu 05-Jan-17 11:41:21

PS. I don't think that many of the people who have received honours should have received them, but awarding more just undermines their value.

daphnedill Thu 05-Jan-17 11:38:43

sunseeker, The trouble with doing something unprecedented is that it undermines other service personnel and their awards.

One of my uncles was also an air vice marshal, who received a DFC but no honour. Another uncle also received a DFC. My father was a bomber pilot and received nothing. Should all these people and the countless others who flew dangerous flights with little recognition, have their awards upgraded?

Just checked Wiki and Johnson was awarded a CBE and CB in later life.

Douglas Bader was eventually knighted, but that was for work with the disabled, not for his heroism in the RAF. I wouldn't like to be on an awarding committee (or whatever they have) but somebody must have decided at some point that Bader did more than Johnson.

Greyduster Thu 05-Jan-17 11:37:29

I was watching an item on the news last night about Dr David Nott, a British surgeon who has been working in what was left of a hospital in Aleppo. There were tears in my eyes at the brilliant work that he and other medics have been doing out there. They are the ones who should have honours by the bucketload, but who trumpets their magnificent efforts?

Maggieanne Thu 05-Jan-17 11:19:38

I've already signed the petition. It's a sad state of affairs when people can be rewarded for being a pop star or simply doing a job that they are already richly rewarded for. The honours system is disgusting, there is a list of people that have refused them simply because they feel they are doing the things that they love and don't need anything else.

hulahoop Thu 05-Jan-17 11:09:48

They are all Hero,s who all deserve recognition .

Greyduster Thu 05-Jan-17 10:51:39

If you will forgive the digression, on subject of understatement, I was put in mind if an incident that occurred when DH was serving in Ireland. Their barracks was just across the water from the Bogside and it was the habit of the inhabitants there to take pot shots from time to time at anyone they could see wandering about in our side. One such shot was fired and narrowly missed a near neighbour of ours who said he felt it whistle past his head and it lodged just in front of the petrol tank in our car which was parked outside DH's office! DH went to round to see him and asked if he was feeling okay. "Oh yeah," he said "They obviously decided I needed my hair parting on the other side for a change!" Our little car sported a nice neat hole for the duration of its life because DH refused to get it repaired.

radicalnan Thu 05-Jan-17 10:22:28

That generation were amazing! Obviously the people on the front line were brave but just the way people at home carried on, day in day out, takes my breath away when I think about it.

Today people seem to want counselling for every little upset and grievance................

He knows he has our respect what would he want an award for now they are so debased by the current tranche of recipients.

I remember the furore when the Beatles got theirs.

BPJ Thu 05-Jan-17 10:15:18

I see that even the French are honouring our old soldiers, in our local paper today one has just been awarded the Croix de Guere (hope I didn't just say Cross of the Station there)During the war my fathers regiment was awarded two, one went to the Colonel, for the regiment, and one was raffled....

foxie Thu 05-Jan-17 10:11:01

They flew into the abyss knowing that there was little chance of surviving and in my book they were/are all heroes. These young men did there duty without complaint and I salute them. Guy Gibson was only 26 when he was killed

sunseeker Thu 05-Jan-17 10:07:39

Since leaving the RAF he worked as a teacher and did a lot of charity work, I would say he was much more deserving of an honour than Victoria Beckham! Just because something has never been done before is no reason not to do it.

Greyduster Thu 05-Jan-17 10:01:54

It says on Wikipedia that he had a DFC and bar, but there is a photo of him in old age somewhere which shows him holding up his medals and it is definitely a DFM. I read that he ended his RAF career as an Air Vice Marshall.

daphnedill Thu 05-Jan-17 09:25:02

Just wanted to say that Johnny Johnson did receive a Distinguished Flying Medal (DFM) for his part in the raid. He couldn't have been awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC), because they weren't awarded at the time to non-commissioned officers.

Guy Gibson and Leonard Cheshire were both RAF officers who received the VC. Below the VC is the Distinguished Service Order, followed by the DFC/DFM.

Guy Gibson was the most highly decorated WW2 serviceman, but even he never received a civilian honour. Leonard Cheshire was made a life peer, but this was for charitable work after the war. Although Johnson was undoubtedly brave, awarding him a civilian honour would be unprecedented.

sunseeker Thu 05-Jan-17 08:32:41

I gather there is now a petition, started by Carol Vorderman, on Change.org. Go to the site and search dambuster.

rubylady Wed 04-Jan-17 21:08:12

Maybe as the general public, we should do an honour of our own and blow the upper class. A bit like Pride of Britain awards. If it is coming from the country and not some toffee nosed Sirs and Lords voting in a giant boardroom with whisky and cigars, then it would mean more to the average Joe who has done so much for his fellow man and country.

Christinefrance Wed 04-Jan-17 16:54:15

What a truly brave man and so much more deserving of an honour than many so called celebrities. Love the understatement, very British.
Raise a glass to George and all the other brave men and women wine

goldengirl Wed 04-Jan-17 12:10:14

They were so young and incredibly brave. I was very moved when I visited Poperinghe and saw where young men in their teens had been shot at dawn for 'cowardice'. It makes me cry to think about them. And yet we give gongs to so called 'celebrities' for doing...what? As has been said there shouldn't need to be a campaign to give him an Honour.