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Knighthoods, and some other honours being devalued

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M0nica Sat 31-Dec-16 08:14:28

Seeing the number of athletes and others being given major honours while still very young may make honours appear with it and more 'relevant' to younger people (or at least that is probably the government's fond belief) but I think they devalue them.

I understood honours were for lifetime achievement, when someone had gone over and beyond their duty or shown devotion to duty over a long period - which applies to people at every level from local community workers to the famous.

For example, why should Andy Murray or Mo Farrah get knighthoods now? Yes, they are both great athletes, yes they have achieved astounding levels, but surely Andy Murray's knighthood should come at the end of his playing career as the final accolade, the same for Mo Farrah, I know he will have a shorter career but I am sure his contributions to his sport will be continue even after he ceases performing.

So many of those given knighthoods in the past for a couple of sporting achievements have seen the recipient sink without trace, once their moment in the spotlight ends,

Anniebach Sun 01-Jan-17 09:42:12

I thought the number of athletes honoured this year was great, young people receiving honours ! I am fir it if we must have this list

Christinefrance Sun 01-Jan-17 09:14:01

I think it's time to rethink the whole honours thing. It has become far removed from the original intention I think. Too much corruption and pandering to the celebrity culture.

vampirequeen Sun 01-Jan-17 09:01:52

I think Ken Dodd is like Marmite. You either love him or hate him grin

Kittye Sat 31-Dec-16 22:41:51

Had? Have. Too much NYears wine.

Kittye Sat 31-Dec-16 22:40:23

Ken Dodd funny? I must had no sense of humour?

vampirequeen Sat 31-Dec-16 20:46:57

Ken Dodd was found to be not guilty.

I think Ken Dodd is incredibly funny. He does more live shows than most young comedians and fills every theatre he performs in. Not bad for a man of 89.

Anniebach Sat 31-Dec-16 18:21:05

Was not Dodd Acquitted?

Kittye Sat 31-Dec-16 18:18:34

Too many people getting honours for just doing their jobs. Whole thing has become a joke!!

Pigglywiggly Sat 31-Dec-16 17:59:13

Ken Dodd has a very good publicist (allegedly).

merlotgran Sat 31-Dec-16 17:51:41

So Ken Dodd gets a knighthood despite his run in with the tax man whereas Lester Piggott went to prison and was stripped of his.

J52 Sat 31-Dec-16 17:49:05

So did I until I saw a trailer for a TV programme about him! I'm sure he's very nice, but I can't stand him!

NotTooOld Sat 31-Dec-16 17:15:01

I thought he was dead.

Pigglywiggly Sat 31-Dec-16 17:05:40

And does anyone really like Ken Dodd?shock

NotTooOld Sat 31-Dec-16 16:53:50

I should get one for 'services to Christmas' this year.

BlueBelle Sat 31-Dec-16 16:44:25

Well at least running races gets the country gold medals running your own fashion business just lines your own pocket

But I think it's well overdue for a disappearing act in full

Bagatelle Sat 31-Dec-16 16:41:17

vampirequeen "Awards should be for those who go beyond the call of duty not for because someone simply did their job."

Yes, they should go to those who have made a good contribution to our society. These people are supposed to be involved in the running of this country, not just running races.

paddyann Sat 31-Dec-16 16:15:26

and how ridiculous that someone who"gave" £390,000 as a "gift" to the tories should get knighted in return...what a sham these"honours" are ,just a way of perpetuating the class system

BlueBelle Sat 31-Dec-16 15:32:45

I think it a really daft system and feel really bah humbug about it and have for ever Victoria Beckham is just a business woman so what! If they have got to give them to 'celebrities' then I think Mo Farrah is a well deserving case his professional life will be coming to an end soon and he has made a big contribution coming from a little refugee lad who couldn't speak English but my overall feeling is Get rid of the darned things they are a farce

Anniebach Sat 31-Dec-16 15:20:49

Should writers, artists, poets, composers etcnot be recognised?

vampirequeen Sat 31-Dec-16 14:36:10

It's a ridiculous system that needs to be discontinued. Awards should be for those who go beyond the call of duty not for because someone simply did their job.

LadyGracie Sat 31-Dec-16 14:03:20

I agree M0nica with most of what you say.

I don't think riding a bicycle or hitting a tennis ball warrants being knighted!
What about the 90 year old who has worked tirelessly for mental health charities for more than 6 decades, a BEM, the lowest honour there is in the same sentence as someone who is knighted for riding a bike or running fast.

It's a joke.

Anniebach Sat 31-Dec-16 13:01:05

Has some from Strictly received an honour?

Murry has been playing tennis for twenty years

M0nica Sat 31-Dec-16 12:03:11

Anniebach depends on your definition of aged. Even sportsmen with long careers and great success have usually retired by the time they are 40.

But in principle, I think yes. Honours should go to those who have given extended service or excelled at something for at least a decade and preferably two and that does mean that recipients will be older, what is wrong with that?

I just think honours are devalued when they are the automatic cherry on the cake you get when you win a Gold Medal in the Olympics, or win Wimbledon, or Strictly, or the X Factor.

Nandalot Sat 31-Dec-16 10:34:34

I feel the sportspeople mentioned here deserved the recognition. They have worked hard and been a great inspiration to others. The article I read from the BBC website said there were over a thousand other honours given to non-celebrities which I think is as it should be. In that article there were two young actresses who seemed to have little claim to the honour when reading their list of achievements.

KatyK Sat 31-Dec-16 10:34:01

Even Andy Murray himself has said that he's too young for a knighthood.