Experts

No worries

Sorry, misunderstood LSP

No, austerity measures are nothing to do with brexit, we haven't brexited anything yet although financial repercussions are already being felt.

The tories decided what to axe and where the axe was going to fall, which parts of the community they protected and which they persecuted.
The UN feel that British austerity measures breach basic human rights.

Austerity measures have been a fact of life for many countries in the EU (Eurozone in particular) for many years, and imposed by the EU in some cases.

Austerity measures are not a result of Brexit; I do not think they are the answer either as they are certainly not working elsewhere.

Some statistics (may or may not be scientific, may mean nothing )

www.europeaninstitute.org/index.php/112-european-affairs/special-g-20-issue-on-financial-reform/1180-austerity-measures-in-the-eu

Austerity cuts are counter productive, they are idealistic cuts not a sensible way to balance the books. Balancing the books has gone out of the window anyway post brexit, shame for the people who lost their lives under them. The Austerity Delusion by Paul Krugman is a good read, out dated now.

Brexit will cause more poverty on top of years and years of grinding austerity.

I take your point Lumpy but the austerity measures are the reason for this sort of poverty not Brexit. I'm seriously questioning whether these measures are the answer. Draconian cuts to council funding, job losses, NHS in crisis. Yes, we need to balance the books but this way is simply not working as we, as a nation are borrowing more than ever.

The trouble with the suggestion to "suck it up buttercup" is that it's spouted by people who are in a position to weather the storm.

Meanwhile there are families already at breaking point due to austerity cuts choosing between fuel or food...

Those are my feelings too M0nica

If predicting the future was an exact science we would not be coming out of the EU.
Even probability (which is not a science) did not predict the result.

Exactly! However many obstacles determined Remainers put in the way...

Good post Monica

It really is time that people got used to it.

Shall we stop all this silly numbers and percentages game?The majority of votes were for us leaving the EU, and that is what we will shortly be doing.

I think the state many people worked themselves to over the EU referendum was ridiculous. I voted remain, but as the majority voted to leave I wish people would stop fighting past battles and just get together to sort out us leaving as soon as possible in an as orderly manner as possible.

Personally, once the decision was made, I think we should have said we would leave when the financial year was up and then go, worry about the effects on the country later. I get the impression that is what the majority of ordinary voting Brexiteers wanted. Where else would a member of a club that had decided to resign from it negotiate the terms of its leaving?

I was thinking of the U.K. population - including those not qualified to vote for a variety of reasons (age, EU Nationals, youngsters not quite old enough to register last year etc) and the Brits who at the moment live in the EU and who therefore have an interest in the result of the referendum and including those unable to vote - some because of length of time abroad but many did not receive the voting papers in time -It is probably a conservative number but I confess I did not get a calculator out and check all figures!

I don't think it's correct that no one speaks to Polish people or buys from them MargaretX. It certainly isn't true of where I live, and my children wouldn't be here if their Polish grandfather hadn't come to Britain during the war.

What mind-set do you mean? And are you just speaking for ex-pat Remainers?

I am usually ready to listen to an expert although most disappoint after a while, but a basis in science leads me to think that others also apply the rules before stating any facts.
What is the evidence against what the expert is promoting as truth. Were the variables examined and taken into consideration.
What *granny 23' writes about domestic abuse rings a bell with me. I worked voluntarily in this field for 25 years in Germany and inspite of many experts on this subject no one was ever really listened to, as we always had to come up
with an answer to a problem which was not going to cost much.

Nobody knows what the effect of the Uk leaving the EU will be. In our German newspaper there was a long article about the Poles and Latvians in Boston. The Poles were our Allies in WWII which gives then a privileged position. I rememebr going to the Polish Club dances in Sheffield in the 60s, and now noone speaks to them at work, or buys their bread.

Whatever happens if Brexit is successful, people won't be happy, because the mind-set will not change and the world cannot go back to 60 years ago when we all lived in Little all-white England.

It makes me so cross when people ignore warnings about man made climate change which are already causing devastation across the globe. People suffer just because no one wants to hear the truth and it's the future generations who are left with the mess.

Weather forecasting is very much better than it used to be, as a result of improvements in the science of meteorology.

We all look at the weather forecast but nobody is surprised when it is wrong. The future is uncertain. Maybe we just get used to believing that it isn't.

But we all constantly make decisions based on what we confidently expect to happen in the future.

I am just about to make some soup for supper based on my confident future prediction that DH, who has just gone out to get the car washed, will return as expected in about 45 minutes.

I doubt there is anyone anywhere who is an expert on the future.

Experts still have their own individual opinions which are not necessarily shared by other experts in the same field. In court cases it is possible for prosecution and defence to call their own experts and each will give a differing opinion, an economics expert in favour of leaving the EU will give a different opinion to another economic expert who is in favour of staying. It's no wonder those of us who don't presume to be experts to anything get confused!

Well I'm still waiting for the emergency budget that was predicted by the 'experts' and property prices are till rising.

(love the death-bed confession scenario...!)