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Rigby46 Mon 05-Dec-16 21:58:47

This is useful

www.stchristophers.org.uk/leaflet/frequently-asked-questions-about-%E2%80%98next-of-kin%E2%80%99-and-power-of-attorney

Rigby46 Mon 05-Dec-16 21:56:09

I was referring to the specific issue of illness as the pp had mentioned

Ana Mon 05-Dec-16 21:53:57

I know that's an American quote but it applies in the UK as well.

Ana Mon 05-Dec-16 21:53:20

'The legal order of next of kin is defined as the spouse, adult children, parents, adult siblings, other relatives and public administrators, according to the Knox County Coroner in Ohio. This is the order by which benefits are handed out, relatives are notified of the death of a family member and responsibilities after death are delegated.'

If you're legally married, you are your spouse's next of kin.

Rigby46 Mon 05-Dec-16 21:49:45

Grandma. I agree with most of what you say but you are not correct about automatically being next of kin - that is widely misunderstood and is why we all need health and welfare LPAs ( see other thread)

GrandmaMoira Mon 05-Dec-16 21:45:59

If you are a committed couple with a mortgage and/or children, getting married makes practical common sense. You don't need a big affair but marriage does confer legal extras,as well as this tax allowance. As a widow, I automatically inherited my husband's assets, regardless of whether he had a will and when he was ill I was automatically his next of kin. I know someone whose partner died intestate and his half of the house went to his children from a previous relationship and she lost her home.

Ana Mon 05-Dec-16 21:41:16

I don't think it will encourage or discourage marriage. It was one of Cameron and Osborne's bright ideas, that's all.

thatbags Mon 05-Dec-16 21:40:49

It's not about not being committed to each other but not being committed to the institution of marriage.

Rigby46 Mon 05-Dec-16 21:38:30

It's worth about £200 a year - that will encourage marriage? We're supposed now to have independent taxation - how does this fit in? I don't think it should exist at all ( the married allowance, not marriage- the latter is a personal choice). There are other tax advantages with marriage - inheritance tax and dome benefits - not sure how I feel about that

Esspee Mon 05-Dec-16 21:31:21

I've never understood how people who do not feel committed enough to each other to get married feel that having children is desirable. Surely any encouragement and acknowledgement from the government of marriage is to be commended.

gettingonabit Mon 05-Dec-16 21:30:58

It's not just the tax issue either. If you're not married, no matter how long -term your relationship is, you have no rights at all.

Many people think after a while, you become a "common law" wife (or husband) with the same rights as a married couple but this is a myth.

Personally I think all committed relationships should be equal in law and there are moves towards this. May take a while though.

Ana Mon 05-Dec-16 21:27:12

I think that the point of this new scheme was actually to encourage marriage, rightly or wrongly.

Cherrytree59 Mon 05-Dec-16 21:23:11

I have just watched the Martin Lewis money show on ITV.

If you are married and one partner is a non tax payer and the other is a tax payer
The non tax payer can give part of their tax allowance to their spouse

It is a simple procedure (According to Mr Lewis)
The non tax payer logs on to the 'gov married tax allowance' site
And fills in the online form
As this was brought in 2015, it can also be back dated.

So...
My DS and DIL have already applied and been successful.
They have a one year old son.

However my DD is a stay at home mum at the moment( non tax payer) and her partner is a tax payer.
They have two toddlers.
(Both DC have DD partners surname)

They are not married but have been together for nearly seven years
They cannot claim this allowance

I know some will say that the clue is in the title 'Married tax allowance'

But in this day and age is it fair?
Why does the government need to encourage marriage
Surely its a personal choice
A choice that couples should not be penalised for.