Hooray - the Conservatives won the election!

If I told you about my life durhamjen you would, I have no doubt, put your own spin on it, so I'll pass thanks

There is quite a bit of Corbyn bashing tho no? I've never voted Tory but won't vote Corbyn either.

Well said, though, Anniebach.

Seems to have turned into a general tory-bashing thread. What's new?

.trisher, you know the number of Labour, Tory and lib voters who demonstrated against the war ?

I understand your anger against the Tories, i feel angry with Corbyn because he is yet again putting his militant politics before the homeless, hungry, disabled who will suffer more whrn the Tories win the next election

So unfair to condemn all Tory voters yet remain silent on the militant voters who don't care if the next government is Tory as long as they can keep Corbyn as leader of red Labour momentum

Just to clarify, I didn't ask if Tory voters had changed their minds.
I only asked if any Tory voters had any comment to make, on the film.

If the people who voted Conservative would like to get together and demonstrate about the way the poor are being treated I would certainly join them. When Tony Blair proposed going to war thousands demonstrated, I don't see anyone doing it now.

Or we thought it might be the best way in the long run. Didn't Blair, a labour pm, take us to war? Or was he not a real labour leader?

Well aren't some Conservative voters justifying the system that has passed 1000s fit for work who have subsequently died soon after that assessment.

I think it would be unusual for the majority of political supporters to be 100% in favour of every action of the party they support.
I did not join any political party until last year. O do not agree with all of the party's poicies but it is the closest to my views.

This is why threads on here often fall into the adversarial style of parliament rather than reasoned debate.

If you voted Tory you have to take reponsibility for the effects your vote has had. That is for the increase in the numbers of poor and homeless, the disabled, tested and removed from the benefits system who have died, the reliance on foodbanks and the terrible conditions some people live in. It isn't the same as the Iraq War. Tory policy has always been to reduce the size of the state, cut taxes for the better off and leave the poor to suffer. Labour party policy was never pro-war. Either you were too stupid to realise what Tories do or you didn't care.

exactly!

I voted for Blair but campaigned against thr Iraq war, not fair to blame all Tory voters on the poverty shown in the film just as it is unfair to accuse me of supporting that war

I'm sure kittylester knows that.

She was just making the point that if a film were to be made showing former or future Labour policies in a bad light, its supporters would 'always try and justify what they have done'.

Except that Labour supporters haven't caused this particular problem, kitty, which is what FarNorth wanted discussing.

The subject of the film is political

As would labour supporters, I think.

I think that FarNorth was flogging a dead horse, asking Tory voters if they'd changed their minds after seeing the film. They will always try and justify what they have done.

I know that, jalima, but I did at least try to get it back to the subject of the film.
I have seen it, so I half qualify.

The number of children in emergency accommodation doubled in a year in Manchester.

This is what happened to the family who are in I, Daniel Blake. They were in homeless accommation before they were sent to Newcastle.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/1000-homeless-children-emergency-manchester-12120902

The real Daniel Blake was from Manchester.

I don't think you're allowed to post on here either .....

there may be a rarified few

There's a debate in parliament at the moment about the bedroom tax. Like Damien Green, there are none so blind....

The mayor of Salford did not believe the figures about the homeless in Salford, so he went out on the count.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/salfords-mayor-didnt-believe-homeless-12168778

This is what he found. Of course, you can hide your heads in the sand if you want to, but it won't make the problem go away, any more than the problems seen in I, Daniel Blake.

Is anyone on this thread actually qualified to post on here?

(including me, of course )

Things have not "only changed slightly" since the Coalition/Conservatives came to power. They have changed enormously:

Bedroom Tax

Legal Aid no longer available for matrimonial, family/child contact, employment and clinical negligence matters;

Educational Maintenance Allowance of up to £30 a week abolished;

Health in Pregnancy Grant (to help malnourished pregnant mothers) abolished;

Child Benefit frozen for 3 years

Sure Start maternity grant abolished for 2nd and subsequent children;

Reductions in access to Working Tax Credit and various other benefits cut;

Child Tax Credit proposed by Labour abolished.

Subsidy to Remploy to provide disabled people with work abolished;

and this is by no means an exhaustive list.

1 million more people on zero hours contracts

Gosh, he will stop snow falling in Wales, vote red labour momentum please