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(59 Posts)What goes on in Britain today seems to be that a majority are working on a self for filling prophesy of doom and gloom as a result of voting out of the EU. When what is required is for every man,, woman, and child, to imitate the action of the tiger; Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood, Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd purpose. Do not expect a soft landing! For now is the time of hard resolution.
We need to start laying track on High speed 2 and Cross Rail 2. Put down a new runway at Heathrow or Gatwick, NOW.
All I hear is we need to have a debate on this and that. No we don’t! Make MADE IN BRITAIN a reality. Let us become a “Can Do” nation again and stop sitting around waiting for some else to take the initiative and so getting left behind.
If the point of the link was child poverty, I am puzzled as to why the photo showed a well-dressed, well-nourished, well-cared for little girl in front of a boarded up shop.
And I am puzzled, too, as to why the five children wet themselves because they were sleeping on the floor and we were led to presume that they ceased being enuretic as soon as they had beds.
I suppose this is journalism
Abby Thanks for your posts from the 'real world'. Same here with a friend who worked in office furniture fitting. They made him redundant and brought in Russian workers. Shoddy work and communication problems cost the company 10s of 1,000s of pounds. They had to call my friend back. His attitude was: you want me, you pay me, and they did.
But I'm afraid most on here only want gloom and doom blue links from the Gaudian. Because that newspaper really knows what it's like in the 'real world' don't they?
Alice16 I think Abbey is relating actualities whereas your post seems to be more about what may happen.
Not a criticism - just an observation from reading her posts and yours.
I know of people who lost their jobs in local warehouses many years ago when EU workers were brought in through active recruitment in Eastern Europe. I don't know how the firms managed to get rid of local workers and employ EU workers on lower wages through agencies, with organised rented housing and transport to and from work, but they did.
Brexit was bound to cause financial uncertainty in the short-term, who knows what the long-term will bring; we just don't know as yet.
abbey
That is not an unusual tale sadly.
There is a chasm between those at the 'coal face' so to speak who understand this happens and those who are/have been unaware of such things happening. Some live with this happening , others only talk about it syndrome. I keep mentioning the EU Posted Workers Directive as an example of how Under Cutting wages has been widely used as just one example.
My area has a lot of warehousing and it is well known what has happened re employment. I think this is one of the reasons behind so many Labour heartlands voting leave. I think this is the case in my part of the midlands .
I do however honestly believe it is not the employed immigrant workers who are blamed as relations are very good but the 'system' has seen to have failed the indigenous worker.
That's really bad, abbey. It shouldn't have been allowed. What was the union doing? Disgraceful.
China are more than keen to get into business with us in my employers experience. So are many others. It isnt all bad out there.
No, the "whole story" of my husbands situation was worse than any say. They wanted rid of plumbers (all trades actually) but they didnt want to get rid of younger workers. So, they told the oldones they could take redundancy and be paid their pensions early ( they were not allowed to take them that early normally) but that it would be a actuarially reduced pension.
Neither did they explain tax or NI contributions situation clearly.
They did make it clear that if the men concerned didn't go they would find cause to sack them with nothing - so yes bullying and constructive dismissal. But you try getting the union to take it up! It wasn't happening because it only involved a few " old blokes".
What they actually wanted to do was employ a couple of females ( so yes, a change of job description which was allowed)on the grounds this allowed them to offer women to customers who might not feel safe with a man!
So they got by with that - until the girls ( who were apprentices on his firm) decided they didnt like the job and wanted to leave ( pregnant) or get an office job (seriously).
They then replaced them with cheaper (EU) labour. That hasn't really worked for them either. They have had several sessions of shedding staff and getting in cheaper labour - and now they have lost contracts.
The irony is, my husband is now working for the firm that took those contracts.
It broke my husbands heart though. He gave his all to that firm man and "boy" (apprenticed). Firms show no loyalty to their staff
China is keen to set up trade negotiations with us and has stated that it is not that keen on its dealings with the EU.
I can't understand why people are looking on the bleak side. I'm full of optimism - after time there WILL be light at the end of the tunnel. We just need to quickly implement article 50 and get on with the job of setting up trade agreements.
She said the firm wanted cheap labour. She didn't say they advertised her husband's job or even a similar one. Why must you be so suspicious, durhamjen?
She didn't say that, though, did she, Anya.
She said they gave him a reduced pension because he wasn't sixty. He would have had to agree to that, or to the redundancy. If they just got shot of him and employed someone else in the same job as a plumber, it was illegal. If his job was redundant but there was a similar job, they would have had to offer it to him first.
I do not think she has told us the whole story.
Actually you can - with a bit of fiddling around with the job description. It happens quite often.
Abbey, I do hope that your husband took his ex employers to a tribunal. What you say they did is illegal. You cannot just give someone redundancy and take on someone else on lower wages.
Well said Abbey 
17 million represented under 52% voters, so I don't think you can call the 48% as "living in a bubble". I have worked in both private and public sectors, I have children working in both too, some of whom have threats to their jobs. I am glad your company is on the up and you are in a good place financially. Because of the weak £, foreign buyers will buy here, they're getting more for their dollars, if you were buying from them it might be a different picture. Its great that your plumber OH has a good job, we always need experienced plumbers, electricians etc., shame the government hasn't put much into proper training and apprenticeships. The economy is made up of many different sectors, you are lucky to be in one of the ones selling to foreign buyers, but not everyone is in the same place.
abbey, abbey. Thank you, thank you.
Seriously, I was beginning to give up hope for the News and Politics section on gransnet.
It is getting overrun by the doommongers.
I don't think that being part of the 48% who did want to remain means that we're in a bubble. However, your side of the argument is the sort of first hand experience that I am interested in hearing (rather than the meaningless pull together we'll be great again comments). So thank you for that,abbey.
It isnt gloom and doom . I will say again, most of the jobs which seem to be going now,were going anyway.
I lost three jobs in different firms as a result of firms relocating to Poland (specifically) on EU grants over the last 10 years. Other jobs went to different countries in the same time. All using EU given money. Frankly the EU has been asset stripping Britain's manufacturing and other industries for a long time.
Get real. They area failed economic and political and social experiment being propped up by sheer willpower. Many EU countries have 20% or more unemployment ( Spain has 40%). Thats why they all come here. This is not good for our own youngsters even though some fail to see it.
That may well be why, 17 million+ people , unlike you in a bubble at gransnet, voted out. They could see the problems. Maybe , many like me have been living with it first hand. We just haven't had a voice. Its being drowned out now too I feel.
abbey I am with you on this, and so are a lot of other people ( even if they don't post on here) 
* Far East being Singapore Indonesia and Thailand etc.
Abbey you and I obviously live on different planets. As Beammeup says, the decline of the UK economy is only just beginning and you cannot ignore the signs - the pound hitting record lows and could fall to parity with the dollar, thousands of City jobs planned to be relocated out of the UK, and at least six property funds worth £14bn have blocked investors from withdrawing money. And this is just the start. Let's hope Beammeup is right about pressure being put on the Government to override the Referendum.
Well, I do not work in debt collection. My employers do a lot of business with China (and Hong Kong) and with the Far East and Russia. All have placed bigger orders for next year with us. We have several orders from Africa and one or two coming from across the Atlantic. The EU is staying pretty well as it was and we do not expect to do well there. There economies are shot in many cases and trade there dropped off some time ago. More money coming in now. Also British trade is up for us. Even two extra staff employed this week (proper contracts ,not temps and both Brits for what its worth).
70 of us have had jobs under threat for the last five years. Many were let go in that period and before (from 2008).
My husband is a plumber. He lost his job in 2008 ( with the recession). His firm , where he had worked for 40 years got shot of him with a reduced pension because he was not 60. It didnt matter too much but it was hard on him as he had worked so hard all his life for that works pension. as they wanted cheaper labour ( from the EU).
He tried to get another job and failed and fell into despondency. Retired last year (at 65 and got his state pension ,thankfully , without it being ballsed around by the government).
Then the weekend someone called him up because his name had been passed by a friend who also works for the same firm as a painter and decorator, as one who was a plumber tradesman and he was asked if he wanted some work. They had asked for anyone who knew names of tradesmen who might be interested as they were in need of reliable and skilled men.
He is part time (suits him) , working for a small business doing up and maintaining properties and they have on going contracts. The money is going rate, so again, not being ripped off on zero hours and poor money ( although he might get lamped on tax now). The firm wanted reliable, time served me. I think they had some issues with quality of workmanship and communication issues or so dh was told.
Its just my observation but it does seem that any of those jobs which seem to be disappearing for brexit, were going anyway and its being used as an excuse.
Good job he kept his tools and we kept his van going (we had thought of getting rid of it because he was not using it at all).
So, I am a happy person after 10 years of misery and uncertainly almost as bad as that in the 1980's in the last recession.
People should realise that this decline of the UK will not happen overnight!It will be a slow downgrading process. The only hope at the moment is that the leaving of the EU will have to be ratified by Parliament and then go through the Lords. I also think Big Business will be putting pressure on the Government to override this Referendum.
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