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Have you made your mind up about the referendum?

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obieone Thu 19-May-16 08:36:16

Yes.

I am curious to know how many have. Personally I do not read much about it any more, nor talk about it as dont see the point.

nanakate Thu 26-May-16 13:45:23

Have just seen a flag-waving post on facebook ranting about being a 'Great Britain' once again. If the UK leaves, the chances are that the UK will break up, and nobody will be waving the Union Flag any more. And I'm fed up with all this talk about the 'migration crisis'. Yes, we are seeing a wave of migration, but this has happened over and over again in history. It's a disturbance, and a challenge, and some of these people don't understand our culture yet, but is it a crisis? What is the crisis, exactly, except a label that politicians and the media have stuck on?

Lazigirl Thu 26-May-16 13:22:44

If you're not sick & tired of the counteractive squabbling by now there is a first TV debate tonight 8pm. Victoria Derbyshire hosting, aimed at under 30s. Make a change from us oldies on GN?

grannyJillyT Thu 26-May-16 13:15:17

Yes. Definitely LEAVE. Always has been my opinion, always been a bit of a rebel and I hate being told what to do from the unelected bureaucrats! Also looking forward, feel it will be better for my Grandchildren. smile sunshine

nokkie Thu 26-May-16 13:02:04

We have relatives in Norway and they live much much better than we do. They take their share of immigrants etc but can say NO if proposals don't suits them. I only wish my standard of living was equal to theirs. I am fed up of 28 other countries dictating what we can and cannot do. The concessions that Cameron obtained are a joke, OK he tried so lets give him credit for that, but they still have to be voted on and the chances of 28 other countries agreeing are minimal. I think we need to take control of our borders or we will be over populated and our schools, housing, NHS will not cope.
I am definitely OUT.

harrigran Thu 26-May-16 12:50:33

I will not be swayed by the reports of lack of care or medical facilities should we leave the EU. The other day someone was claiming that cancer research and availability of drugs would be effected by an out vote. This is blatant scaremongering because they are hitting out at the most vulnerable portions of society angry

anniesgrannie Thu 26-May-16 12:42:17

OUT OUT I voted against it in the original referendum.

kazzer Thu 26-May-16 12:40:51

Out out out!

grandMattie Thu 26-May-16 12:35:42

Yes. Out.
What worries me is that the EU and Jean-Claude Junker in particular is so vindictive that the UK will be made to pay whatever the decision. Sadly, there is very little real democracy in the EU parliament.
the Euro is in a very difficult and unstable state...
I hate the "Outers" being so racist and xenophobic. Glad that the Army yesterday wanted out. I
I can't understand why trade/security etc., is so dependent on the EU.

annabelindajane Thu 26-May-16 12:16:42

I too am heart out but head in, we talk about Norway but we cant compare ourselves to Norway in any way. We have huge debts that they dont have ,a vastly greater population and dont forget their a fabulously wealthy oil fund .

Exit will cause at least 3 years of upset to an already unsteady economy .

Dont forget Mr Putin - a strong Europe will hopefully keep him out of our neighbourhood.

sheila1936 Thu 26-May-16 12:15:23

I too think we should leave the EU

Granddaughter Thu 26-May-16 12:06:09

I was surprised at the Gransnet poll.

My friend who works for a disability group sent me this link which I think we should all read before voting.

gu.com/p/4jhjb/sbl please read

When we consider the wider issue around the Remain or Out, we need to look at the care and health issues very seriously.

I believe this article highlights very strongly the issues many vulnerable individuals face daily, but far to often we tend to overlook because it suits our prejudices.

Ironically, migration is a key salvation for parts of our Care and NHS services

Wurzelernie Thu 26-May-16 12:01:35

Stay in. Rather the devil you know..........

15574m03 Thu 26-May-16 11:55:32

Out for me. Everyone's talking of personal gain or loss. I worry for what we leave behind for our young who won't have this opportunity.
Ex pats abroad worry about the effect on their pockets, healthcare etc.
Our current immigrants worry about the effect on their status.
The argument about air fares, holidays abroad. Brits are the best and most patient spenders abroad. Europe will keep doors open for us.
Anyway, our own resorts and economy wouldn't be harmed by our taking breaks in Britain for awhile eh ?

railman Thu 26-May-16 11:38:28

In the survey results published on here today, I found this comment a bit jarring:

"We do not need to be told by Strasbourg how to treat people; we are a decent and law-abiding nation, for the most part, with a record of tolerance and justice." - survey respondent

Given the recent publicity about the Hillsborough inquest, the police record is not especially 'tolerant'. And it is likely that the same has occurred with the 1984 Miner's Strike.

It seems our 'democracy' and 'sovereignty' is based more around confrontation than collaboration or co-operation.

Perhaps we should vote to leave after all.

holcott48 Thu 26-May-16 11:34:05

Heart out, head in, especially for those of us who haven't got the 10 or 20 years until the financial upsets sort themselves out. Self interest has to rule at my age!!

railman Thu 26-May-16 11:33:25

Still find two major stumbling blocks for me on the 'VoteLeave' front:

a) Boris Johnson, forever talking in cliches, and being a jolly good type, much like one of the characters in the 1940s film "The Lady Vanishes"

b) IDS - the man who created a mess with 'Universal Benefit' and now who appears to have had a "Damascus Moment" when discussing poverty in the UK in a TV interview.

Both sides are littered with what Gladstone or Disraeli (can't recall who) continue to publicise "lies, Damned Lies & Statistics". These they describe as 'facts'.

The UK has been a reluctant member of the 'Common Market' from the beginning, and as the EU has grown, and perhaps as a result of our lack of interest in voting to change regulations or 'directives' at source.

Most MEPs activities have not, and are not reported in the UK media, we as 'Joe Public' continue to remain ignorant - and now they want us to vote on a major issue we have had no involvement with, or been educated about for years.

I have seen at first hand the benefits that EU Social and Regional Development Funding has brought, whilst the Government we have had for the past 6 or more years has removed the UK capability to manage change anywhere beyond London and the South/Home Counties.

UK Government does control UK borders, but they have reduced funding, so why is it a surprise that controls, or even monitoring and management seems lax this side of The Channel.

The Brexit and Remain camps all rely on figures that are at best tenuous and speculative, and at worst skewed to make points, by cherry picking the extreme ends on any particular survey.

We have less than a month to go now, and whilst I have a view, not a single person either in the street, or in the media has come up with a cogent argument on either side to convince me of the "rightness" of their position, and how it will benefit my grandchildren.

Lupatria Thu 26-May-16 11:29:15

I didn't want to join the common market in the first place - voted to come out in the referendum then.
and the more I hear from the "in" campaign with their scare mongering the more i'm adamant that i'm voting "out".
I don't want to be part of the eu any more - we've lost our sovereignty [sp] and have little say in what happens these days. and we've wasted so much money paying the eu for things we don't want - this money would be better spent at home. the nhs needs help, the homeless need help, and it seems every age group needs help too.
vote "out" and regain control of our country.

muskrat Thu 26-May-16 11:07:09

I was always leaning towards OUT, and seeing Brexit: The Movie has made my mind up. Being part of a faceless super state worries me. It's not what we signed up to back in the 1970s and has become more sinister. I want my right to vote to be protected, and I don't want a European Army having precedence over ours. Also, the vast amount of money wasted wantonly by the EU bureaucrats for crazy things like moving the staff every month between Brussels and Strasbourg should worry us all. They seem to make up the rules as they go!

Blinko Thu 26-May-16 11:06:37

Friends and I have all been subjected to unprovoked rudeness and aggression simply going about normal daily life, from eastern European men. Whether employed or not, they clearly have a different approach to women in eastern Europe which doesn't travel well in the west. I find this worrying and am concerned that it could become even more of an issue with further expansion of the EU.

It seems to me that the economic argument for continuing expansion/immigration is more relevant to some areas of the country (London, the SE and agricultural areas where they rely on low paid seasonal workers) more than others.

On the other side of the argument, I think the Remain side would do well to give us some information on how they see the EU reforming in the event that we stay in.

Right now, I'm a 'don't know'. I voted for the Common Market, btw.

Zenella Thu 26-May-16 11:06:16

I want to be given some honest facts. There is too much "maybe" and "perhaps" and "if we stay" and "if we get out" in my opinion. Nothing is definite. I remember the last big vote - I thought I was voting just for what and who we could buy and sell to. How wrong can you get.

15574m03 Thu 26-May-16 11:05:48

I'm for out of Euro. I'm in Cyprus now hearing Ex pats bleating about how leaving will hit their pockets regarding healthcare etc. I'm also hearing about how leaving will effect our current immigrants from their own mouths. All selfish comments, what about our futures of our offspring who won't get this opportunity to vote. We are voting for them really.
As for the argument about dearer flights and holidays abroad. Wouldn't harm our resorts to get back a little income for awhile til things settle down eh ?

Anya Thu 26-May-16 10:53:06

Why should immigrants already working here have to go back? confused

That's not on the 'out' agenda...

Grannyhug Thu 26-May-16 10:46:03

Me too

Maggiemaybe Thu 26-May-16 10:43:46

The under-25s have only themselves to blame if they don't bother to vote and don't get what they want. The older generation can't take the blame for their apathy.

I'm voting in, though.

Desdemona Thu 26-May-16 10:12:32

Me too. At first I was unsure..then I decided to vote "out". Now I am wavering again!