Have you made your mind up about the referendum?

If that's all, may as well toss a coin - or not vote as I do not care for either of your people.

In a democracy you can get rid of the government any time you want to, not just every five years. When Cameron came to power he changed the rules to every five years, aided by the Libdems, who wanted to be in power for as long as possible.

The present climbdown by Cameron on a vote tomorrow is because if he lost the vote there would be a vote of no confidence in his government. He would lose at present.

Petra wrote: "I was living in Bulgaria when they went into the eu in 2007. They had many excellent catering and restaurant staff. Come 2007 many of them left to go to Spain/Italy/Uk. Some restaurants went out of business because of this.
I'm probably the only person on here who has been to Albania. If you think that Bulgaria is poor, it makes Albania look like utopia. There isn't much to be said for this country but if/when it joins the eu and the educated and skilled people leave it will be awful.
There's one thing I can tell you that will happen: The rich will get richer as they did in Bulgaria thanks to YOUR money."

Wow. That is a really interesting insight Petra. I honestly do not see how poor European countries add anything to the European Union, IF it is a trading union. (Someone please tell me how we will benefit from Albania joining?)

However, if it's becoming a POWER BLOCK, which it is, with leaders unknown, that's a very different picture. It's acquiring territory.

I see our democracy and rights to do what is best for Britain going completely down the drain. Albanians will leave for the UK, for France, for Germany, for Sweden. For us, that would be a bit like the biggest and most luxurious hotel in Dubai offering us a penthouse suite for lifetime use. We'd jump at the offer.

I cannot blame poor people for migrating but the melting pot that is being created in Europe, without any clear leadership, is open to such corruption. As we've seen, Cameron has no influence, no clout. He couldn't get his reforms passed. Is that worrying or what???

Who will be guiding us in the future? Who will be telling us what we in the UK must do?

Who knows.

I'll bet it is

*Someone whose life is charmed.
*Someone who doesn't live in the multicultural suburbs of Britain.
*Someone who can afford first class travel.
*Someone who has private medical treatment
*Someone who doesn't know what it's like to use public transport.
*Someone who doesn't send their children to state schools
*Someone who is wealthy

So, any one of our politicians perhaps?

OR

*Someone who enjoys all the above privileges but works in Brussels or Strasbourg and has no connection whatsoever to the UK.

The referendum is our chance to say NO to that. We have to cherish our democracy.

dh - I was agreeing with POGS premise that the riots in France are in opposition to the labour reforms.

Yes. Mind made up. Regardless of all the hype for staying or leaving.

Priti Patel's single voice is the voice of the government spokesperson on employment at the DWP.

The report about France is no more than the www.peoplesassembly.org.uk march, last month, did.

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/hhje_report

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/owen-tudor/eu-referendum-brexit-workers-rights_b_9793384.html

By ' they' do you mean a Conservative government , Brexit campaigners such as Labour MP's Kate Hoey, Gisela Stuart? Or do you mean the 'single' voice of Priti Patel?

This presumption of loss of workers rights would also require the backing of Parliament, do you think that would happen? I suppose it could but I am more inclined to believe there would be uproar and the Opposition Benches and probably they would also have a few Conservative back bench rebellion MP's that would vote any proposals out.

I am always going on about our terrible world news coverage but France is having a bad time at the moment. I take the point re the problems are being caused by the sovereign rights of France to make it's own labour reforms by the way but I am not of the opinion workers rights is as big an issue as being spouted in connection to Brexit.

Out of interest. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36279257.

But you do not have to if you do not want an answer to your question.
On the other hand, why ask us about what we think about workers rights and why we want to stay in.? Not like you to be contrary, POGS.

NotTooOld, how can you agree wityh POGS? She hasn't said anything for you to agree with.
Perhaps you should read what Brexiters think about workers rights, too.

If Grumpa is reading this, it's about Priti Patel.

100% out

It answers your question pogs of some of the things they admit they would do!

I find it surprising they would admit that much Jen - if they are giving that amount of info now now deep would their changes go? Just makes it all even more worrying.

Why?

www.tuc.org.uk/international-issues/europe/eu-referendum/workplace-issues/priti-patel-reveals-leave-campaign-agenda

read this, POGS.

The French workers naturally have all the EU workers rights plus more. Some of these are to be tightened up At the moment it is very hard for workers to be laid off here - more so than UK. It is also enormously expensive for employers to employ people making them loathe to take workers on particularly on a permanent basis. Their retirement age etc is better than UK workers. Reform is necessary in some areas to they say lesson the people out of work. The workers see this as an erosion of their rights and always volatile demonstrate.
The air traffic controllers have a strike to protest about changes to the areas each control tower is responsible for - making each block of air space far bigger eventually leading to very few areas across European Air space. - they see this as being very dangerous as local problems within a block of air space could go unnoticed.
None of this has anything to do with the EU bill of rights for the workers which will not be affected. This is part of the sovereign rights of France to make their own laws as UK can still do.

Calais first - the footage you are seeing is likely to be a few months ago when the authorities moved some of the migrants to other areas of France or to new areas of the camps in Calais or Dunkirk where some more suitable accommodation was given - however many of the migrants preferred their own built shelters. The children do in the main have a better school there now.supplies for the camps are well organised by volunteers in Calais ( many if them Brits who go across for weeks at a time) and businesses and people donate food and other supplies regularly
If the vote is for Brexit the people of Calais will be delighted because the Maires are likely to insist the Border Control is removed from Calais and Dunkirk back to the UK ports and they will to a great degree just let the migrants through. It will then be up to the tunnel security to maintain the border or not. The camps will then likely be at Folkstone and Dover.

Has anyone else seen the scary footage on Facebook of the violence that is currently going on in Calais between the migrants, the French police and the transport drivers? The accompanying text states that there is virtually a news blackout on this in the UK as we are in the run-up to the referendum.

POGS - I'm a Brexiter and I agree with you.

Can I ask a question to those who repeatedly state they wish to stay in because of 'Workers Rights'.

What do you think about the ' days of riots ' that are occurring in France in opposition to the Labour Reforms?

I can't speak for other Brexiters but I'm certainly not afraid of migration, I just think we have had enough of it.
As the sainted Angelena Jolie said on radio 4 this week: "Angela Merkels decision to open the borders was beautiful but wrong" She also said: "It was crucial to distinguish between refugees and economic migrants. There is no blanket humane right to settle in another country"

It will be easier for them as there will be no border at the French ports. They will be able to board the trains for the tunnel - quite easy really as the carriages which carry the freight have not got solid sides and you can get on and off quite easily.

The illegals won't stop coming if there is brexit.

These countries want to join the EU but are a long way off being able to do so - if ever they can. It is another frightening tactic. The Brexit camp know that people are afraid of migration and are playing on that. Lessons have been learned about admitting countries too soon and the disaster it leads to.

One of the reasons the UK economy has been stronger in recent years has been the efforts of migrants from Poland etc working in the construction industry etc. Interesting fact there are more French people living in the Uk than in anywhere else apart from Paris. I am more worried about illegal migrants from Pakistan, Somalia etc than EU migrants who are working.

Day6 -as far as - I'm concerned, you are SO on the money with your posts . I also feel that the EU should be looking to improve Eastern European member countries so that the populace wish to stay there, rather than migrating to wealthier nations. Surely the original idea was to bring a little more equality in finance and standards of living to all member states. One can never see this happening. The likes of Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are all suffering whilst they see others are prospering. Why is it that the EU is looking to pull in more of the poorer Eastern European nations??. Ultimatelty, this has to be a recipe for disaster.

I think the possibility of the UK wanting to rejoin the EU at a later date is not something we need to be worrying about right now...