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Imperfect27 Thu 04-Feb-16 08:10:39

This may seem to many like a repeat of the 'internet manners' discussion that was aired recently, but I wanted to revisit the heart of this matter because of recent developments.

I recently raised a question about texting birth announcements on the AIBU forum recently and unwittingly provoked all sorts of reactions, incurring rudeness and insensitivity along the way. I am not posting here to carp about that, but to highlight it as illustrative of a wider problem.

I am relatively new to GN, but as a result of that thread I received several emails from people who are evidently upset about the way some GNetters post. I suspect there are even more who felt the same. Some are newly arrived, but say they have been put off posting full-stop. Some say they are leaving GN because they are genuinely dismayed at the levels of unkindness expressed and what seem to be pointedly negative / aggressive /insensitive comments. Sometimes when people have raised concern on the forums they feel they have been then publicly shot down in flames and it is usually suggested that they are too sensitive. Some people feel that others assume they are right no matter what and that they have an apparent right because they are longer term members.

I am not writing here to 'preach', or 'carp', or 'point the finger' - rather to think of solutions. none of us are saints and we are going to make errors and misread posts at times. Sometimes something is said 'tongue in cheek', but is taken as offensive. These sort of misunderstandings can be checked out and in my experience a PM often does the trick. However, like many who have emailed me, I honestly think some posts are an awful advert for this site and I really understand why others are put off.

Sometimes the problem may be that when a thread becomes very long it is tempting to skip and just add our own view. Sometimes what we discuss is indeed sensitive and emotive and we can find ourselves reacting strongly. I think it is a good idea to at least skim read other posts and to take time to consider views that may differ from our own and also to keep in mind that this is indeed a public forum.

Perhaps the litmus tests are
* would you actually say the same to someone's face?
* would you feel embarrassed if others actually knew who you were?
*would you mind your views being requoted in public?

Well, I have put my head above the parapet. I have done so because I genuinely like GN, but like others who have emailed me, I have been really dismayed at the way some posts develop and feel that at times we don't actually do ourselves any credit. I also think it is truly sad that a significant amount of people are evidently put off taking a full part in discussions.

wot Thu 04-Feb-16 19:30:01

Oh, my lovely mum! Her and her movable or whatever!

absent Thu 04-Feb-16 19:26:01

Gransnet is not a homogenous group of oldies – and that, surely, is its strength. There are members who post carefully worded, thoughtful comments. There are others who respond speedily off the tops of their heads. There are many with years of professional experience in a wide range of fields who really know what they are talking about. Some will patiently explain why an ignorant and inflammatory posting is simply wrong and others who will express irritation with such ignorance. There are those with deeply held beliefs, whether religious, political, societal or whatever, who will never accept the validity of a contrary view. There are those who enjoy a good moan, often about something unutterably trivial, and those who trivialise topics that others consider important. There are those who have known great suffering in their lives and others who have been more fortunate and the people in both groups deal with these experiences in different ways.

Personal attacks are against Gransnet guidelines and should be reported. Anything else is just life.

rosesarered Thu 04-Feb-16 19:19:30

I was thin and tiny and it weighed me down.

rosesarered Thu 04-Feb-16 19:19:02

You could not flounce anywhere wearing moygashell!

Jalima Thu 04-Feb-16 19:17:51

Sorry, should not interfere without reading all the posts blush
I see an olive branch has been offered or rather a cupcake

Stay out of other people's squabbles was always a good maxim and I should remember that.

rosesarered Thu 04-Feb-16 19:17:46

Elegran my family did the same ( we always said chaos as chos) as in'a right state of chos!)'

Elegran Thu 04-Feb-16 19:16:22

Flounces made of Moygashel would be a bit odd. wouldn't drape at all well.

rosesarered Thu 04-Feb-16 19:15:06

My school dress was made of it, heavy and awful!

janeainsworth Thu 04-Feb-16 19:15:05

Oh dear! Must keep up at the back!
grin

Jalima Thu 04-Feb-16 19:15:00

TBH I wasn't sure if posters knew what 'flounce' actually means when it comes to forums and that it's an 'official jargon' word, so that's that
Well, I didn't know that Wilma (it is certainly enlightening on here)
Presumably similar to what it means in RL?

Elegran Thu 04-Feb-16 19:14:46

That is another thing about Gransnet conversation threads - they drift in unpredictable directions.

janeainsworth Thu 04-Feb-16 19:14:01

I think wot is referring to this ana
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moygashel

I'd forgotten all about moygashel, you've reminded me of a dress my mother made for me when I was about 14smile

Jalima Thu 04-Feb-16 19:13:19

I remember Moygashel, I made myself a dress (or two) in it years ago. The name was printed on the edge of the fabric if I remember correctly.

Elegran Thu 04-Feb-16 19:12:06

Crossed posts!

Elegran Thu 04-Feb-16 19:11:45

Does morgashelled mean Moygashel? A brand of a sort of linen fabric?

Stansgran Thu 04-Feb-16 19:11:32

Moygashel was an Irish linen fabric. Had to careful with bias cut on it as it stretched more so than most on the diagonal. I have had many a sad experience with sewing on the bias.

Elegran Thu 04-Feb-16 19:09:57

My father and his family used to deliberately mispronounce words like picturesque (I think it was a way of disarming any accusations of "talking posh and using long words") I still do it. Sometimes I get strange looks from people.

Jalima Thu 04-Feb-16 19:09:13

Well, actually I don't think it was OK jingls - it was not a 'thoughtful post'.

And perhaps some of your posts are flippant but never bullying, and when I was accused of something I had not done and was called a patronising name recently you stuck up for me and told the poster it was out of order.
Thank you.

I could have pmd that but I prefer it to be out in the open.

btw does a jinglbellsfrock have flounces?

Jane10 Thu 04-Feb-16 19:07:27

Been out all day. Just catching up. So we're all going to be sweetness and light now? Sigh. Boring. Oh well.

Ana Thu 04-Feb-16 19:00:06

What's 'morgasheled fabric'?

I agree with you Elegran that you can usually glean the meaning of new words from the context. Such as 'picturesque', which I came across as a young child and thought it was pronounced 'picture-skew' for years...grin

wot Thu 04-Feb-16 18:56:22

Yes, I was always amazed how my mum (left convent at 14) and my dad (German) knew every word I asked them about! Although there was much hilarity at my pronunciation, being a keen reader, when asking them about a word! Like "facade" or morgasheled fabric. I loved that about my parents and respected it. I still get stuck for words though.,but have had brain injury.

Elegran Thu 04-Feb-16 18:47:20

You learn new words by reading them in context and filling in the gap mentally if it is one you have not met before. It is generally obvious how the word is being used. The more words you meet, the more new ones you can understand. If life were long enough, maybe we would understand everything?

At least, that is how I learn new words, but maybe I am odd.

Galen Thu 04-Feb-16 18:44:39

Surely a flounce is a frill. Jing with frills????

Imperfect27 Thu 04-Feb-16 18:43:51

Well said Wot and perhaps a good place to sign off.

I feel I have learned more about the good heart of GN today - glad it is better than it used to be (although that did sound pretty woeful) and glad that peace and good will are being brokered now.

No-one needs, wants or deserves to be made miserable when posting here.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 04-Feb-16 18:36:33

bags I still do that. My education will never progress! hmm Can never be arsed bothered to look words up.