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mariann Mon 05-Oct-15 10:01:17

The fact that the Labour party has a weak leader ( according to them!) has given them such a feeling of being on top that they can finally allow themselves to say what they really think. I hink this may do more damage than anything Corbyn does - or does not do.

As to us not being around. The last word has not been spoken on that. It could be that HE is not around. Who can tell these days? We who are old have good chance of living longer. Its the middle years which are dangerous especially for men.
The fuel allowance was given to too many people just to simplify matters, means testing is expensive so cut it for everybody including those who have to choose between eating and heating. Disgusting!

Alea Mon 05-Oct-15 09:54:32

Right, that's as good a reason as any for living for years and years and really pi**ing them offangry

Maggiemaybe Mon 05-Oct-15 09:46:49

What lovely, caring people they are. And short sighted. Age Concern published the results of a cost benefit analysis of the free bus pass recently, showing that each £ spent on it generates almost £3 in benefit to the users and wider community/economy.

I do agree that the winter fuel allowance could be looked at - we got it when we were both working - but sneaking it away with the idea that the olds will forget who took it is appalling.

grannyqueenie Mon 05-Oct-15 09:40:13

This piece of news really cheered my heart waking up on a wet Monday morning. sad. More worrying than the implications of the actual cuts was the grim realisation that politcians can and do speak about older people in such a dismissive and disparaging way. sad
ps I love my bus pass!

Nelliemoser Mon 05-Oct-15 09:37:58

Bloody hell. This is the true thoughts of of the government we have now.
B*** the poor and elderly.

This country could easily afford it if they taxed the very rich in a more robust way way and made corporations pay proper tax.

durhamjen Mon 05-Oct-15 08:37:51

There must be a name for it. Geronticide?
At least with assisted suicide we could choose to kill ourselves off.

Did they not get elected because of their promises to pensioners?

12Michael Mon 05-Oct-15 08:36:40

Trouble is they cannot touch it www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2007/13/pdfs/ukpga_20070013_en.pdf
Because it was passed in 2007 by royal assent read above.
Mick

whitewave Mon 05-Oct-15 07:54:02

This has been gleaned from a meeting of the Tax payers alliance and other extreme right wingers of the Tory party like Fox.

They shouldn't be too confident that we will all be dead, many of us with long memories will still be around. That is of course if we haven't died from cold or lack of NHS services meanwhile.

It seems to me that as predicted the cuts are now beginning to have a nasty effect on those least able to help themselves. They will not forget, and let us hope others with a more altruistic attitude towards societ,y rather than a selfish individualistic approach epitomised by the tax payers alliance, will also not forget either.

Anya Mon 05-Oct-15 07:45:34

I have no doubt the winter fuel allowance will be cut or stopped altogether in the near future and that £10 Christmas thingy. I just hope they don't do away with the bus passes as they are a life line to many older people without cars.

vampirequeen Mon 05-Oct-15 07:45:15

Well that sums up the Conservative Party. Cut the pensioners benefits now because they'll either be dead or confused by 2020 so won't be around to vote against us.

annsixty Mon 05-Oct-15 07:30:46

I will leave it to people more political than me to analyse and comment on this but what a cynical thing to say, that we will either be dead or will have forgotten by the next election.

12Michael Mon 05-Oct-15 07:21:18

Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.

Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might "not be around" at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance.

And others would forget which party had done it, he added.

At the group's meeting at the Conservative conference in Manchester, former defence secretary Liam Fox said spending cuts must be "for keeps".

Mr Wild said the Tories could not wait until a year before the next election to make the necessary cuts to the winter fuel allowance, free bus passes, the Christmas bonus and other pensioner benefits.


The cuts should be made "as soon as possible after an election for two reasons", said Mr Wild.

"The first of which will sound a little bit morbid - some of the people... won't be around to vote against you in the next election. So that's just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then."

He added: "If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might be thinking, 'Oh I can't remember, was it this government or was it the last one? I'm not quite sure.'

"So on a purely practical basis I would say do it immediately. That might be one of those things I regret saying in later life but that would be my practical advice to the government."

'Day of reckoning'

Mr Fox told the meeting that the government had to act now to make further cuts to pensioner benefits and welfare.

He said "we can never go back" to the "historically high" levels of public spending seen in recent years and the government's public spending cuts must be "for keeps".

"This is the time to fix the roof" he said.

"We have a broken opposition. We have just won a general election and we need now to take the tough decisions we believe are right."

Now that Labour was not such a "great threat", this was a "great opportunity for us to do some of the more difficult things, however unpalatable they will be in the short term are what we need to do for the country", said the right-wing backbencher.

He added: "We need to do what we all know deep in our hearts to be right."

Liam FoxImage copyright Conservative Party
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Former defence secretary Liam Fox said the government had to make further cuts

Mr Fox added that the government had to make the "moral" case for reducing public spending further.

"We are borrowing from the next generation to spend today. That is otherwise known as a Ponzi scheme," he said.

"It's what we are operating as a national financial policy."

He added: "If you continue to overspend there will be a day of reckoning."

He said this was because borrowing costs would rise and the era of low inflation would not last forever, meaning economic growth on its own was not enough to balance the books.

Older people would understand the need for cuts to their benefits to help the next generation, he suggested.

"We have got to start to get really honest with people because this is not a sustainable position," he said.

"We can't afford it now, we can't afford it in the future, why don't we try to get a longer-term plan put in place so that people can make the adjustments they will need to make for us to be able to get back into balance."