They Were ideas talked about by somebody from a think tank, not facts as in 'it will happen'.
Good Morning Friday 31st July 2026
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Ministers should waste no time to make unpopular cuts to pensioner benefits, a think tank director has said.
Many of those hit by a cut to the winter fuel allowance might "not be around" at the next election, said Alex Wild of the Taxpayers' Alliance.
And others would forget which party had done it, he added.
At the group's meeting at the Conservative conference in Manchester, former defence secretary Liam Fox said spending cuts must be "for keeps".
Mr Wild said the Tories could not wait until a year before the next election to make the necessary cuts to the winter fuel allowance, free bus passes, the Christmas bonus and other pensioner benefits.
The cuts should be made "as soon as possible after an election for two reasons", said Mr Wild.
"The first of which will sound a little bit morbid - some of the people... won't be around to vote against you in the next election. So that's just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then."
He added: "If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might be thinking, 'Oh I can't remember, was it this government or was it the last one? I'm not quite sure.'
"So on a purely practical basis I would say do it immediately. That might be one of those things I regret saying in later life but that would be my practical advice to the government."
'Day of reckoning'
Mr Fox told the meeting that the government had to act now to make further cuts to pensioner benefits and welfare.
He said "we can never go back" to the "historically high" levels of public spending seen in recent years and the government's public spending cuts must be "for keeps".
"This is the time to fix the roof" he said.
"We have a broken opposition. We have just won a general election and we need now to take the tough decisions we believe are right."
Now that Labour was not such a "great threat", this was a "great opportunity for us to do some of the more difficult things, however unpalatable they will be in the short term are what we need to do for the country", said the right-wing backbencher.
He added: "We need to do what we all know deep in our hearts to be right."
Liam FoxImage copyright Conservative Party
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Former defence secretary Liam Fox said the government had to make further cuts
Mr Fox added that the government had to make the "moral" case for reducing public spending further.
"We are borrowing from the next generation to spend today. That is otherwise known as a Ponzi scheme," he said.
"It's what we are operating as a national financial policy."
He added: "If you continue to overspend there will be a day of reckoning."
He said this was because borrowing costs would rise and the era of low inflation would not last forever, meaning economic growth on its own was not enough to balance the books.
Older people would understand the need for cuts to their benefits to help the next generation, he suggested.
"We have got to start to get really honest with people because this is not a sustainable position," he said.
"We can't afford it now, we can't afford it in the future, why don't we try to get a longer-term plan put in place so that people can make the adjustments they will need to make for us to be able to get back into balance."
They Were ideas talked about by somebody from a think tank, not facts as in 'it will happen'.
Why let truth get in the way of a good story? 
What facts are you talking about nonnie ?
Finally, some sense! I know it was said earlier but doesn't seem to have sunk in! There are comments on lots of threads which are stated as fact and are not. Where do people get these 'facts' from?
Some people just love to get outraged about nothing more than speculation and conjecture, don't they? 
just means our pensions and extras are guaranteed!
I'm not sure how I feel about being ring fenced, roses.
Is it anything to do with cows and bullocks? Do hope not.
Hang about! This is not actually happening you know.
people getting worked up for nothing. plus the fact that it was this Government that refused to change anything for pensioners, so we are ring fenced until the next election.
We didn't get the Government I voted for but that's democracy for you.
I would have to move house to even get an MP I would vote for. No hope of any constituency change here.
All I can say is we've got the government we voted for
I mean SHOPPING.
Our local bus service has recently been reduced, making it possible to get a bus to the railway station but impossible to get one back again - then we are told 'use it or lose it'! Same problem if we stay in town, do some shipping, have lunch - too late, missed the bus back. Ridiculous.
Very interesting post from 12Michael re. the legislation regarding bus passes. I often use one of our local 'Park and Ride' buses and a couple of months ago I was told that we now have to pay £1 together with showing the bus pass!
H m m ! Methinks I'll be challenging the bus company.
I would love to have a bus pass (I'm 60, but like so many others not entitled to mine till I get my state pension when I'm 66). We do have a car, but I would make a lot more spontaneous journeys on public transport on my own and with DH if it didn't cost so much, and obviously I'd be spending while I was out. As it stands the busfare into our nearest town (3 miles away) costs £5.60 return, so I ration my trips.
Ooh, I forgot we had that to look forward to (if we get there) 
A better idea would be to stop the derisory 25p pension inrease on reaching 80. It must cost many times more to administer than any benefit it offers, which is nothing actually.
Re the WFA I do think that it's correct that it was brought in instead of rises to the State Pension, so is not a free gift, it's what we worked for!
Re the bus pass, if they were taken away the bus companies would lose out and routes would be cut which would be bad for bus companies and for the many pensioners who cannot afford to run a car. Whenever I use the bus I always spend in shops and cafes as part of my day out. Our money is good for the economy. And getting out keeps us healthy and we are less likely to become a burden on society.
I really hope that GillT57 is right when she says that cutting tax credits for working families may come back to bite the Tories in the derriere, but it probably won't.
It still rankles considerably that we are having this conversation online. You would have thought that we could be treated with a little respect.
Nonnie I actually think that a lot of people who've been attracted into politics by Jeremy Corbyn's campaign are young people so there's some hope that they may become the activists of the future - we'll sure need them if this lot are left to ruin the NHS, welfare state etc
I agree it would be far better to add the WFA to our state pensions . As for the freebie TV licence I think most of us think it is well worth the money and are willing to pay it. This government has no compassion and cares not for the vulnerable old and sick. Interesting that our free bus passes actually generates money ! Not surprising though as when I use my free travel card I often have a coffee or pay for an entry into an exhibition etc!
I have a bus pass which I rarely use now that the bus service passing my door no longer goes right into town. Previously I found it very useful for getting to the mainline station without having to pay for a taxi. Our local council gives a 30% discount on the senior railcard which takes me quite frequently to visit my families.
I have a bus pass which I never use but I also have a Metro pass for which there is an annual charge, I used that one once in the last year.
We may be relatively wealthy pensioners but we are also supporting the next generation who would struggle without a little extra help.
I don't think we appreciate enough the economic value of the free bus pass. Many of us senior citizens use the bus to meet friends, enjoy a coffee, shop a little etc. Even if we only spend £1 it is still a contribution to the local economy and should not be under valued.
Re the bus pass I paid for mine to be issued. I only use it occasionally. We live in a relatively rural area and getting from A to B by bus is complicated.
I can go into the local city by bus quite easily but I can't do that and lug home my weekly shopping run.
I go about 12 miles up the road to a choir twice a week and that is impossible by bus.
However if I don't use my bus pass it does not cost any one.
Thanks NTO I have every intention of outliving him too. My DSs believe I will live forever and won't discuss what happens when I die so they must be right. I brought them up to always tell the truth! 
Nonnie - I agree with both your posts above.
Right, that's it, I will outlive Liam Fox if it kills me. 
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