I probably could Soon, but not sure to what end. She's very entrenched in her thinking, quite old fashioned in many ways despite the fact that she's younger than me. For instance her DH is very, very reluctant to do any household maintenance, he will start a job and then leave it unfinished for months, so the house is in a state with tools, materials etc. I've been round for coffee and asked her why she just doesn't put it all in the shed, but DH wants it left as he 'might' do some at the weekend. And so it's left. I then asked why she didn't just get professional help in, the job would be done and it might change his attitude if it hit him in the wallet, and she was horrified. Apparently she would have to pay the account if she did that, and was very surprised to learn that's exactly what I would do - and pdq - if my DH behaved that way. It's as if the man of the house is the boss - what happened to women's lib? What did we fight for?