Abu Hamza

Better late than never I guess!

Why was he allowed to incite and preach hatred in this country for so long? and now we know one of the Charlie Hebdo terrorists has been linked to him.

Good

Good Riddance.

I sincerely hope in solitary or he'll have a literally captive audience to indoctrinate

With luck he will never see the light of day because life in the USA means life as it should here.

I agree about the solitary confinement. One of those involved in the French bombings was in prison over here and we were being told on the news about how he met up with other terrorists and they fed off each other. Why do the prison authorities allow them to get together?

Best piece of news for ages. He is a really nasty, vicious man.

Tv clips are still being shown of him and his followers holding their meetings in the street.

In the strret! On the street. Blocking the street. Our streets.

Can anyone tell me why this was perfectly acceptable?

If I had wanted to celebrate anything, Jubilee, Centenary, whatever, I would have had to complete and submit forms in triplicate and pay a whacking fee, too. Even then, it would be a one-off, so how was he allowed, week after week to do this on the streets of London?

They were frightened of 'offending minorities' candelle.

So the peaceful, law-abiding rest of the population are now in danger.

Without opening an enormous can of worms, yes you are right, rosequartz.

We are all in danger unless we all agree that terrorism is not acceptable on any level.

We need all minorities to come out and say that terrorism is wrong. We must hear them.

We need religious leaders from ALL sectors to shout loud and clear that we abhor and will not tolerate violence, renounce violence.

We need our government to state that they will clamp down on diatribes against our society and values, whether oral, written or behavioural.

We need our population to come out on the street together, black, white or pink, en masse, to show that we will stand up against men with guns and that they will not win.

We need the far right to understand that they are stoking flames licking out of control.

We need our citizens to abide by our standards, our values and laws. If a person's beliefs are not in accord with ours, they are free to live and worship elsewhere.

We need countries around the world to renounce violence. Countries that have hitherto kept quiet when the most terrible events have unfolded, both in Europe AND around the world. Their silence is deafening.

Unless we all pull together men with guns could win.

Impossible?

Good post Candelle.

Well said, Candelle

We also need to regain pride in Great Britain and stop bickering and squabbling amongst the nations of the UK.

That is one thing I notice if I go abroad - a sense of national pride that some countries have, without being jingoistic.

I dont think that the Paris problems are going to help race relations in general worldwide.

I think, rightly, that it will up our vigilance.
I was out today, and considered reporting some suspicious behaviour by possible muslims.
I didnt, but I dont think I would have taken so much notice if it wasnt for the recent happenings.
I did however, make a note of the number plate, just in case.
It made me more wary and jumpy. Not sure that that was a good thing really. Probably an over reaction.

If you live in England, I think there is a problem with an English flag, that there isnt with using a flag from the other British countries.
Saying your are English, just doesnt feel quite right somehow.
Perhaps it is time we got over ourselves.

So much for turning the other cheek, eh, soontobe?

What were the possible muslims up to, I wonder

Abu Hamza, for those who don't know, was allowed license on the streets of London for over a decade because he was an informer/co-operating with the security services.

He was a self-styled cleric (a former Soho strip club bouncer) with no religious credentials, despite the garb, who somehow took over Finsbury Park mosque.

How did that happen?

What do you mean Ariadne?

Turning the other cheek does not mean ignoring justice.

Would it not be better to just forget about this ghastly man rather than ramp up more hatred, tension and bad feeling? Some people sound almost triumphal in their proclamations.

Isn't it always good when justice triumphs?

If there is truth in the allegation that our security services had enlisted Abu Hamza in undercover operations (and a report in the Mail in May last year stated "....Whitehall officials confirmed the extent of the contact between Hamza and police and security agents, which involved nine meetings in 1997 and 1998 alone.") then I'm not sure there's much to feel triumphant about.

I'd still be filling in those forms in triplicate.....