Farage & Russell Brand

Certainly the LibDems reneged on their election promises, durhamjen. One whiff of power and they caved in.

I agree - but neither are the two Eds. There are no people with huge talent and vision in politics these days, IMO.

Ana, when the Condems got in last time, they immediately reneged on most of their election promises. UKIP have changed their election promises every time they come up against a problem. This week there have been two resignations and one person sacked from UKIP. They do not have any sort of stable organisation. That is what scares people. Anyone voting for UKIP has no idea what they are voting for.

Also 'dangerous' because we need people with huge talent and vision to sort out the real problems we have now in the UK- and Farage is only an 'anti' man- and has no idea about what he would do, apart from immigration, and how to go solve anything else than his very narrow agenda. He knows nothing about education or the NHS for instance- and is in the pocket of his friends in the City. Someone in charge who is only interested in one single issue is not going to put the UK back on its feet imho.

I am not sure how racism comes into wanting some control over immigration.

I hope that the SNP win lots of seats and then go into government with Labour. At least that way the North will get a look-in.
I thought Mary Creagh was good. She only became an MP in 2005, so can hardly be held responsible for the Blair years.
Everyone seems to think the BBC is socialist. Paxman was asked to stand as candidate for London Mayor for the Tories. He's turned it down, but admits he's a Tory.

Anyone who plays a racist card is dangerous imo .

Dangerous in what way? I don't understand all this fear of danger and being scared witless - honestly. Why? Because the status quo might be disturbed in some way...?

Magpie; in answer to your question yes I will admit to voting Labour if I do so. However, as I have said before I may, for the first time in my life, vote Conservative in a tactical way in an attempt to curb the UKIP vote. The S.O. [who knows a lot more about politics than I do] has always said that it was a Conservative Government that put an end to the border controls that we'd had for a long time; I need to ask him to explain it to me in more detail. On the subject of granjuras comments, sometimes it's people that are looking at something from an outside point of view that see the wider picture. We live in dangerous times. A party in power always needs a good opposition party; the fact that Labour are very weak at the moment makes for a dangerous situation imo.

meant ' was allowed to vote (not live)

Thank you. All my life I was allowed to live in Switzerland, but never did, for the (excellent) reasons you state. We will not be voting in the UK elections- as we are residents abroad, we are not entitled to do so anyhow.
But, due to reasons stated in last 2 posts- we certainly do care. Our whole lives were dedicated to teaching and the NHS- and seeing what is happening now to both, is heart breaking.

That is fair enough, granjura and you feel very strongly about the UK which is understandable. I live in an area of the UK which is not affected much, but I do feel sympathy with people like petra who are having problems even if I would not vote for UKIP myself. I respect anyone's right to vote as they wish, and I do think UK politics needs a big shake-up - whether it is UKIP that does this or not.
I just said that, in our family, those who live overseas because they choose to would not vote in the UK elections even though they have the right to do so and would not criticise how we choose to vote. They feel that, as they do not live here any more and do not live in the EU either (at the moment at any rate) they do not have the right to influence the lives of those of us who do live here.

I got the impression Dimbleby was not interested in any of the panelists or what they had to say and decided from the get go to let them get on with it themselves.

Camilla Cavendish was the only one worth listening to, very articulate and new what she was talking about.
Penny Mordant just waffled on and was a very poor Con. representative.
No idea why Brand was even there. Possibly to pump up viewing numbers following publicity, Brand v Farage.
Farage, a clever game player which has me deeply worried as to what his real agenda is

Forgot to say, we've just spent 2 weeks in the UK, talking to family and friends about what is happening in the UK, and the elections. So yes, very topical for us, even though we happen to live abroad at the moment.

Having lived in the UK for 40 years, until recently- and 30+ in one of the most multicultural towns in the UK- no wonder I still care- even if I now live abroad. Our children and grandchildren still live in the UK, so do our brothers and sisters, their children and grandchildren, and most of our friends. And having worked for the NHS and the State education system means we care due to this too. Plus the fact we may well come back to the UK at some point. The UK has a huge part of our heart and soul still there- so yes, we care.

I find it is somewhat ironic that people who live overseas should be questioning those who live in the UK and know what life is actually like in certain areas on whether they realise the consequences of their intended vote.

My family, who live in a country with controlled immigration, would not dream of questioning how I, who live in the UK, will vote.

Yes, soontobe one or two of them have been admitting their mistakes:

Here's one:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10445585/Labour-made-a-spectacular-mistake-on-immigration-admits-Jack-Straw.html

here's another:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2390992/Chris-Bryant-MP-admits-Labour-Party-let-immigrants-ditching-worker-controls.html

and here's the main man:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18539472

No, granjura, the prospect of UKIP getting any sort of foothold in the next election neither terrifies me nor scares me witless! What sort of an attitude is that - just stick with the same old parties for the sake of it?

UKIP gaining any genuine power probably wouldn't change things at all. Look how inspirational the LibDems have been...

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IMO they are now trying to backtrack , as if immigration was nothing to do with them. Give me a break!

I presume they realise that they have damaged their election chances.

Have now watched a little more of the programme.
I didnt realise that Labour admit to making immigration mistakes in the past. I dont know if that is a new thing they are saying?

It doesnt terrify me enough.
The political situation carrying on like it has for the last few decades terrifies me more.

Very interesting how expats in Switzerland, which has a much higher of immigrants than the UK and a much higher % of (available- can't build on lakes and tops of mountains) land build on, and much more multiple occupancy houses- say that any attempt to limit immigration here is 'racist'- but are all in favour of limiting UK immigration (with the above context). Still believe that expats are 'good' and immigrants 'bad'.

So, for those who intend to vote UKIP- how would you feel- what would you do- if UKIP turned out to be very much more sucessful than a protest vote, and actually find themselves in a position to have to be in coalition with another either Tories or Labour- or actually (God forbid) find themselves in power. Does that prospect actually NOT terrify you?

? Should not be there.

Just watched QT. How exciting and engaging it was?

RB was not nearly as bad as I was anticipating and NF was quite impressive. He has to cope with a lot of flack.

The audience were brilliant as well.

I think that history is not going to make Labour look good as regards how it went about immigration at the beginning.