No such thing as aliens
From sinner to saint, quite a transformation.
Spotify - is it time to ditch streaming services and return to CDs?
This happened first about 3 weeks ago and I thought it was because I had handled a Satsuma. It wouldn't wash off but disappeared over 24 hours. Then I woke up this morning to find dark iodine coloured stains down my index finger and light orange blotches on both palms and on the back of my thumb. I have googled this and nobody seems to know what it is so I am wondering if anyone on gn has come across this?
No such thing as aliens
Capillary leak syndrome (CLS) emerged as new adverse event after immunization (AEFI) associated to COVID-19 vaccination. CLS is a rare condition characterized by increased capillary permeability, resulting in hypoalbuminemia, hypotension, and edema mainly in the upper and lower limbs. Our pharmacovigilance study aims to evaluate the CLS onset following receipt of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines (mRNA-1273 and BNT162b2) compared to viral vector vaccines (Ad26.COV2-S and ChAdOx1-SARS-COV-2). We carried a cross-sectional study using all Individual Case Safety Reports (ICSRs) reporting a COVID-19 vaccine as suspected drug and CLS as AEFI, which were collected in the pharmacovigilance database EudraVigilance from January 1st, 2021, to January 14th, 2022. We applied the Reporting Odds Ratio (ROR) 95% CI for the disproportionality analysis. During our study period, CLS was described as AEFI in 84 out of 1,357,962 ICRs reporting a vaccine COVID-19 as suspected drug and collected in the EV database. Overall, the ICSR reported by CLS were mainly related to the viral vector COVID-19(ChAdOx1-SARS-COV-2 = 36; Ad26.COV2-S = 9). The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were reported in 39 ICSRs (BNT162b2 =33; mRNA-1273 =6). Majority of ICSRs were reported by healthcare professionals (71.4%). Majority of the patients were adult (58.3%) and the female gender accounted in more than 65% of ICSRs referred both to classes vaccines. In particular, women were more represented in ICSRs referred to mRNA-1273 (83.3%) and to ChAdOx1-SARS-COV-2 (72.2%). The CLS outcome was more frequently favorable in mRNA ICSRs (33,3%) than the viral vector ones (13.3%). Among the ICSRs reporting CLS with unfavorable outcome, we found also 9 fatal cases (BNT162b2 = 1; ChAdOx1-SARS-COV-2 = 4; Ad26.COV2-S = 4). From disproportionality analysis emerged a lower CLS reporting probability after vaccination with mRNA vaccines compared to viral vector-based ones (ROR 0.5, 95% CI 0.3–0.7; p <0.001).Our findings, even if subject to the limitations of spontaneous reporting systems, suggest a small but statistically significant safety concern for CLS following receipt of COVID-19 viral vector vaccines, in particular with Ad26.COV2-S. Cytokine-release following T-cell activation could be involved in CLS occurrence, but a precise mechanism has been not yet identified. COVID-19 vaccines remain attentive as possible triggers of CLS.
I think it's just a food thing. Carotene is in much more than we think!!
Either that, or you've all been touched by aliens 👽
I like the 👽 theory best! 😆
So I joined to comment! I have had this since I was probably 10. I did ask My mom when I was younger and she said it's callous. Well I googled it now and it's not. I'm also 28 now female not pregnant
Well done Orange45 I have never experienced this but have found it intriguing every time it pops up on the forum.
A bit different than Callistemon but so much about Covid that we still don’t know. It could cause the rust marks but I don’t think that’s so in my case. So many people though on this thread suddenly waking up with it in the past 3 years since I started this thread. Makes you wonder, is it a new phenomenon? Anyone experience it prior to 2019?
I hadn't realised the tiny bruises could be Covid-related until I read something on here 25Avalon
They're not yellow though.
True Callistemon but the point I was making was that there was no vaccine when I first experienced these rust marks so mine weren’t the result of vaccine or having Covid. The common correlator seems to be an allergic reaction.
I agree the marks look like Lily pollen stains but after scrubbing and scrubbing you come to realise it is internal.
Sorry about your horrid experiences with Covid.
I first experienced the rust marks in January 2020 before Covid had arrived yet alone a vaccine
25Avalon Many of us believe that Covid arrived here at least in December 2019, or if it was not, it caused very similar symptoms which lasted for weeks, including months of marks on my hands.
The marks I had on my hands after having the virus at that time and later on diagnosed Covid were like very tiny purple/black bruises. The area got hot and painful then it seemed as if a capillary burst and a bruise appeared. It wasn't yellow.
Some of the marks in the photos look like stains from lily pollen which I had last week but that would be too obvious!
Very interesting Orange but I don’t think it’s the vaccines per se. I first experienced the rust marks in January 2020 before Covid had arrived yet alone a vaccine. Prior to that I had a flu vaccine in 2005. What I now suspect is that it’s some kind of allergic reaction. With the case studies you outline it was the Covid vaccine which for some was a serious reaction with rust marks on the arms as well. For me it was eating red Romano peppers. I do suffer from the odd allergy as well.
So how many on here suffered from allergies? Allergies could definitely be the link.
So interesting Orange that the medics couldn’t give a definitive cause or how it manifests itself. Maybe they will look a little closer now.
Orange45
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8447431/
I’ve researched for answers and my suspicion has been the vaccines. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8447431/
I'm sure you've solved it Orange45. Well done!
I think it is from the food! It seems whatever we ate had been circulating in our bloodstream and the reason we awaken to this weird phenomenon. Have you been vaccinated?
We describe a reaction that occurred in three cases after the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID‐19 vaccine (Comirnaty®; BioNTech, Mainz, Germany and Pfizer, New York City, NY, USA). All cases were female, two of them aged 50 and one 51 years. All subjects had experienced a similar reaction after vaccination; part of their skin turned a brownish, rust‐like colour. The respective locations of these reactions were (i) the left palmar area and right arm (Fig. 1), (ii) the dorsal surface of the left hand and (iii) the right palm and fingers (Fig. 2).
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Reaction in left palm.
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Reaction in right palm.
Two of these reactions occurred after the first vaccination and one after the booster. In the case of the booster, the reaction was observed approximately one and a half hours after the vaccination. In those subjects receiving only one vaccination, the reactions appeared the following night and after 5 days, respectively. All subjects are healthcare workers working with elderly people, and thus among the first to be vaccinated in Finland. All three had been previously vaccinated according to the Finnish national vaccination programme. They had also received the annual influenza vaccine required for healthcare workers. Two of these individuals had a known IgE‐mediated allergy to pollen, and one of them also had a contact allergy to nickel. Those with a history of IgE allergy had taken paracetamol (acetaminophen) prior to vaccination, and the other one had also taken cetirizine an hour before. All the reactions subsided in 24 h, due to which no biopsy specimen could, for practical reasons, be taken. All three had pain at the vaccination site for two days as another adverse event; two out of three also experienced some flu‐like symptoms the following day.
We have no idea of the possible mechanism for the phenomena, but, interestingly, all patients were of the same age. Pollen allergy is very common in Finland, and the relevance of the atopic diathesis remains unclear. A delayed reaction to another mRNA‐based vaccine (mRNA‐1273) has been reported, 1 but the reactions described are of a classic inflammatory nature. A similar reaction has also been reported for the BNT162b2 vaccine. 2 , 3 In a registry‐based study with 414 reported cases with cutaneous reaction, altogether four cases of petechiae were reported 4 but not described in more detail.
The reaction we now describe would suggest a haemosiderin pigmentation, but vanishes too rapidly to be explained as such. We suspect that this reaction is a local capillary leakage due to the vaccination and some kind of immunologic reaction located in the dermis/epidermis junction.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8447431/
I’ve researched for answers and my suspicion has been the vaccines. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8447431/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34310755/
??? Is this the answer to our question?
I don’t think it matters if people experienced this phenomenon before the vaccine rollout. If you had this 10 years ago it may very well be an adverse reaction to a vaccine or close proximity to someone who was vaccinated.
Like many of you, I woke up 3 days ago with these rusty looking stains on my hands. I had eaten a tomato sandwich the night before. Not sure what else to say since I can not find any information other than from this group. Nice to meet y’all 🙂
Woke up this morning with this on both hands. Had woke up from a dream about nuclear destruction so was like baffled at first. But then noticed my partner has woken up with the same thing. We have both had it before but not to this extent. Hers is worse than mine this morning but she is still asleep so I'm unable to get a picture.
Quite amazing that this thread is still active after 3 years and there still isn't a definite answer to all of this.
Last night we had fajitas but only had the bbq seasoning and mayo as we don't like the salsa??
Update.
All my lab work for CBC, sed rate, TSH for hypothyroidism all negative today.
My covid shots were 2 yrs ago and booster a yr ago.
I never had covid.
I don't use bronzer, sun oils,lotions,baby wipes, been around rust of any sort.
These rust spots showed up after contrast MRI in abdomen end of April this yr. Stayed on my feet 2 weeks, both sides of hand on and off 2 weeks and back on feet.
When they came back is when my Dr told me go and have lab work, Sun no labs open. Went yesterday and all labs returned today. Still a mystery
Bkd06 it is not possible to do pinned posts on this site.
I’m surprised that you’d thought that you’d thought that you’d finally solved the mystery; tanning oil!
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