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Fallingstar Wed 07-Oct-26 09:46:11

My DH had a massive stroke 2 years ago, his journey has been extremely difficult and there has unfortunately been little help or support from any professional agency, indeed even when in hospital the level of care was lamentable. And in talking to others this is not unusual.
The fact is that the two giants when it comes to awareness, campaigning, and professional expertise, are cancer and heart disease. Rightfully so. But stroke is every bit as common, every bit as fatal, and if you survive can be totally life changing. It also affects younger people as well as old, yet still we tend to think of this as an older person’s issue.
There is so little information out there about awareness, the fact that if you suffer from atrial fibrillation your chances of stroke are greatly multiplied, and some of us can have AF without realising it, not all have symptoms, my DH didn’t, and could have had it for years. Simply wearing a smart watch can alert you to a racing heartbeat which if occurring whilst resting is probably AF and should be checked up on. And there are other ways to reduce the chance of stroke, not just cutting down on salt. And far as I know there are no campaigns to inform the public.
The British Heart Foundation do some research into stroke but there are no dedicated high street charities that are as high profile or publicise the need for funding for better staffed specialist wards as well as aftercare for stroke victims and their families.

Ashcombe Thu 08-Oct-26 10:06:53

Further to my earlier post, I had attributed my change in personality to the effects of the operation and the somewhat uncaring nursing care I had received afterwards. Once the stroke diagnosis had been confirmed with a brain scan, it enabled me to understand what had affected me mental condition. Until then, my husband had been puzzled by the change in me - from being an outgoing, generally positive person to being depressed and overly emotional.

I am fortunate not to have suffered any noticeable physical limitations from my stroke but I was still grateful when Simon responded to my post on the Stroke Association forum and invited me to join the online Stroke CafĆ©. There I found a welcoming group of people, most of whom had suffered debilitating physical effects from their strokes. Sharing our experiences made me realise that I needed to pick up the threads of my life again. I’m pleased to say, I have returned to being on stage with a local amdram company (mostly walk on parts!) and last year, I sang in a successful performance of Bach’s B Minor Mass. This proved to be a challenging but satisfying experience although tiring!

I cannot recommend enough the value of interacting with fellow stroke survivors in sharing information and giving hope in a way that medical professionals, however expertly trained, cannot hope to do.

Shel1951 Thu 08-Oct-26 10:00:40

Reading other posts some like a lady I know had 2 strokes and still can walk talk and climb stairs,unfortunately that's not everyone, I believe my husband didn't get the help because of his age and ability to recover enough to get benefit from extensive physio, a younger man in the bed opposite my husband was transfered for treatment to a specialised rehab, DH Didn't qualify, he has no use of his left arm and his leg drags, we had to sellup and move to a bungalow as our bedroom was upstairs, sometimes he loses sight in one eye,though not completely, there is hope for some,a lady at the church had 2 strokes 4 years apart and regained use of her limbs etc after time, just says one hand is weaker ,
And at the physio dh had there were others that were much more mobile,one lady drove herself to it,
I just keep on hoping and praying God's will not mine whatever that will be.

Fallingstar Thu 08-Oct-26 09:56:28

Ashcombe

I suffered a mild stroke four years ago following open heart surgery for a mitral valve repair. The after effects were nothing like as severe as many posters have described but I have lost the ability to retain information and it did change my personality in the early months.

It was not identified until several months later when a change in my vision was spotted. A MRI brain scan confirmed the opinion of the opthalmologist.

Since then, I have rearched the subject and have found contact with an online group called the Stroke Survivors Group. They meet each Thursday from 1.00p.m. UK time via Zoom.

Here is the link:-

bit.ly/StrokeCafe

New members are always welcome. It is run by a stroke survivor called Simon. Here is the link to the website:-

stroke.logicalmodel.net/flarum/public

Thanks for this and if anyone else has suffered a stroke or cares for someone who has suffered a stroke and can offer links to helpful groups or sites, or just wants to share their story please do.

Ashcombe Thu 08-Oct-26 09:53:31

I suffered a mild stroke four years ago following open heart surgery for a mitral valve repair. The after effects were nothing like as severe as many posters have described but I have lost the ability to retain information and it did change my personality in the early months.

It was not identified until several months later when a change in my vision was spotted. A MRI brain scan confirmed the opinion of the opthalmologist.

Since then, I have rearched the subject and have found contact with an online group called the Stroke Survivors Group. They meet each Thursday from 1.00p.m. UK time via Zoom.

Here is the link:-

bit.ly/StrokeCafe

New members are always welcome. It is run by a stroke survivor called Simon. Here is the link to the website:-

stroke.logicalmodel.net/flarum/public

Fallingstar Thu 08-Oct-26 09:49:28

Shel1951

My husband too says he wishes he never came out of hospital.

Is a lonely journey Shel1951, a very lonely journey, for those seriously affected by stroke, and for those caring for them.
Wishing you and all those on the journey all the best šŸ’šŸ’šŸ’

Shel1951 Thu 08-Oct-26 09:45:48

My husband too says he wishes he never came out of hospital.

Fallingstar Thu 08-Oct-26 09:23:55

My advice to people reading this because none is ever given about how to prevent stroke as best you can, sometimes is impossible but for my DH it was preventable.
If you feel your heart races or you have palpitations check it out it could be atrial fibrillation and if this is treated your chances of getting a stroke this are greatly reduced, better still invest in a smart watch which will let you know if your heart races when resting, it can’t detect AF but it can alert you to the possibility of this.
Check your BP, if you have been on the same dose for ages and your reading is higher get this checked and up your dosage.
Are you on blood thinners?? If not check with your GP to see if you should be on them, blood thinners are a real game changer.
And if you feel ā€˜off’ with a really bad headache or neck pain and sudden loss of balance or just feel ā€˜heavy’ and unable to concentrate, don’t look for the stereotypical droop on one side get it checked out pronto.

Primrose53 Thu 08-Oct-26 08:49:22

Gingster

My Dh had a stroke 18months ago and his treatment and care has been first class.

While he was in hospital in the Stroke ward and conditions were excellent. He was in for a week with regular physio, tests, scans etc. and when he was ready to come home , they made sure we had all the necessary equipment. Nothing was too much trouble.
Physios and therapists came daily and on some days we had 2 and even 3 coming to give him excercise and strengthening routines, speech therapy, motor skills and brain teasers. They came for 6 weeks.

Another banister was installed which has been a life saver to help him get up stairs, and hand rails positioned in strategic places. Follow up appointments and home visits continued.

I really can’t praise the NHS enough, and we’re so grateful to them.

Gosh that is amazing Gingster. I am wondering which part of the country you live in. Really pleased for you.

B9exchange Wed 07-Oct-26 23:16:55

Yes, unless you are caring for a stroke damaged patient it is nigh impossible to understand exactly how cruel it is for survivor and carer. Before DH's stroke I tended to think that if you survived a stroke, then you would slowly recover. There are quite a few in our congregation who have had a stroke, it has either proved fatal shortly afterwards or they are back on their feet talking normally. DH is the only one stuck in this frustrating half way house.

Fallingstar Wed 07-Oct-26 23:06:26

So sorry you are also going through this
B9exchange. My DH can walk very slowly with a stick but drags his right foot, and his balance is not good so I have to hold his other arm. Am afraid his cognition was affected and his eyesight is also impaired.
In hospital he would pull out the tube that fed him in the night and pull off his pad, one morning I got there at 11 for visiting and nobody had checked him, so he was in bed, having pulled off his pad and soiled the sheets, and his food tube was hanging by the bed. My eldest DD was with me and that was something she should not have had to see. I played merry hell.
Stroke is so dehumanising, and so little is done about it. I would wish my DH had had a heart attack instead, then he could have had a bypass and recovered, or taken meds for the rest of his life but at least ā€˜been himself’.

B9exchange Wed 07-Oct-26 22:44:08

Apologies for the long post!

B9exchange Wed 07-Oct-26 22:43:36

We are in the same position. DH had a brain bleed 12th Feb 2025. NHS stroke ward was so understaffed that if they managed to get him out of bed at all, it was sometimes not till the afternoon. If he soiled his pad he was offered the choice of going back to bed for a change and staying there for the rest of the day, or sitting in it if he wanted to stay up. NICE guidelines say 3 physio sessions a day, he was offered two a week.

Moved to the rehab unit after 5 weeks, same dangerous understaffing. One evening I found there was just one auxilliary as the sole member of staff on duty for 25 bedbound patients, unbelievably dangerous. I took out money on the house and moved him to a private hospital. Wonderful care but absolutely nothing for him when he got home.

He was left with no movement down his right hand side, and although his speech had improved, he lost it overnight, so cold not tell me what he needed. He was using a conveen at night at would sometimes pull this off and wet the bed. Changing the sheets on your own at 2.00 am for a patient who cannot move is not easy!

He has choking sessions, so cannot be left to eat on his own. Sometimes diarrhoea, which means getting the bulk off pants and trousers and rinsing them out before washing them. He has a persistent cough which makes his bad leg fly up in the air and land in painful positions, especially at night.

I had to fund a stair lift, an electric wheelchair, a converted shower room, an electric bed, a converted downstairs loo, a ramp to get in and out of the house, and two shower chairs to roll over the loos upstairs and downstairs. The only things the NHS provided were two transfer hoists. They lost his physio referral and it was 6 months before they gave him his statutory six sessions.

So I had to pay for a private physio too, at £139.00 a session.

The NHS provided 4 weeks of carers, they said he needed two carers three times a day. When that stopped we were in our own. At first I paid for two calls a day, before we cut that down to one so that he could go to bed at the time of his choosing. Now I do the lot.

We did apply for CHC funding, but at the assessment a physio turned up late, took over the meeting and dismissed everthing we said, she said the money should go to those more in need!

He has improved, 11 months post stroke he started to walk a little. It is still very slow, a huge effort dragging his foot, using a quad stick. He can operate the shower himself and pull down a towel to dry the bits he can reach. His speech overnight is usually okay now, although a recent cold and UTI knocked it off again. He can use a pee bottle on his own in bed, so I don't always have to wake up for the three or four wees a night.

His cognition is fine, one blessing, but we both feel it would have been better if he had not survived. He would have escaped the past 20 months of frustration and despair at his condition, and I could have been starting to rebuild my life.

Fallingstar Wed 07-Oct-26 22:35:18

Gingster

My Dh had a stroke 18months ago and his treatment and care has been first class.

While he was in hospital in the Stroke ward and conditions were excellent. He was in for a week with regular physio, tests, scans etc. and when he was ready to come home , they made sure we had all the necessary equipment. Nothing was too much trouble.
Physios and therapists came daily and on some days we had 2 and even 3 coming to give him excercise and strengthening routines, speech therapy, motor skills and brain teasers. They came for 6 weeks.

Another banister was installed which has been a life saver to help him get up stairs, and hand rails positioned in strategic places. Follow up appointments and home visits continued.

I really can’t praise the NHS enough, and we’re so grateful to them.

So glad to hear there is good practice Gingster, and how much of a help it is when this happens.

Gingster Wed 07-Oct-26 22:28:33

My Dh had a stroke 18months ago and his treatment and care has been first class.

While he was in hospital in the Stroke ward and conditions were excellent. He was in for a week with regular physio, tests, scans etc. and when he was ready to come home , they made sure we had all the necessary equipment. Nothing was too much trouble.
Physios and therapists came daily and on some days we had 2 and even 3 coming to give him excercise and strengthening routines, speech therapy, motor skills and brain teasers. They came for 6 weeks.

Another banister was installed which has been a life saver to help him get up stairs, and hand rails positioned in strategic places. Follow up appointments and home visits continued.

I really can’t praise the NHS enough, and we’re so grateful to them.

Shel1951 Wed 07-Oct-26 22:25:49

My husbands too was a haemorrhagic stroke 4 years ago this month, he was getting the use of his hand back when he developed a tumour on the brain, he survived surgery and is still here, here too there is very little due to cuts in the budget, he had about 6 weeks physio and that was it, I do get time free to myself ,he goes to a day centre 3 times a week 10-3pm, I think he has improved over the years though slowly, but he has to persevere and be coaxed into walking, with his quad stick, his swallow is affected so has to have food chopped up and definitely no noodles even though he used to love them, its a slow improvement but even his swallow has improved from the baby food consistency he had in the beginning, his speech has improved but has to think for a little before he can answer, some memory probably won't come back as that part of the brain has been damaged.A carer is provided that gets him up in the morning washes and take him to the toilet , I sort the day and a carer comes to check on him afternoons then I have a private carer to put him to bed in the evening, I do hope you too have help?

Sueinkent Wed 07-Oct-26 21:59:04

Sueinkent

This is so true. Our local hospital had a great stroke unit up until a couple of years ago when the HA decided to create ā€œcentres of excellenceā€ in other words, make cuts. Now a stroke victim a mile from the local hospital faces an ambulance trip of 50 minutes. By which time, most will be dead. Sounds like an elderly cull.

I just read that back to myself and it sounds very callous. I didn’t mean it to. Iam very angry about what is being done to our health service and aftercare. Fallingstar, I am full od admiration for you and your husband’s determination. Let’s hope things improve.

Sueinkent Wed 07-Oct-26 21:49:21

This is so true. Our local hospital had a great stroke unit up until a couple of years ago when the HA decided to create ā€œcentres of excellenceā€ in other words, make cuts. Now a stroke victim a mile from the local hospital faces an ambulance trip of 50 minutes. By which time, most will be dead. Sounds like an elderly cull.

Primrose53 Wed 07-Oct-26 21:38:36

agnurse

Strokes actually come in two varieties. About 80% of strokes are ischemic strokes; they are caused by a blood clot in the brain that cuts off blood supply to brain tissue. (This is very similar to a heart attack, but it occurs in the brain.) This type of stroke can sometimes be treated with clot busting medication, provided that the stroke occurred within the last few hours and the patient meets the criteria. The other 20% of strokes are haemorrhagic strokes. These are caused by a bleed in the brain. These are most commonly treated with neurosurgery.

I live in Canada, and I am fortunate to live in an area where we have good quality stroke care. My grandmother experienced an ischemic stroke a number of years ago. Fortunately, it was identified immediately - she was already in hospital for an unrelated issue and the stroke occurred while she was awake and had visitors. She was not eligible for clot busting medications, but she still received other treatment and eventually was transferred to a stroke unit at a rehabilitation hospital. She made almost a complete recovery. Her speech was mildly affected and this was worse when she was tired, but she regained full function of her hand and you couldn't really see a massive difference in her handwriting eventually as compared to how it was before the stroke.

As a nursing instructor, I have previously taken students to a medicine unit that specialized in acute care of older people and acute stroke care. One patient particularly stands out to me. He was a very nice man with a lovely family. The students got a new patient or new patients every week, and because his was a good teaching case, several of my students cared for him. The first week, he was pretty much confined to bed. By the time we finished our rotation, four weeks later, he was up, dressed, and WALKING with a physical therapist. It was a wonderful experience for my students to know that he was recovering and to know that they had helped to play a part in that.

Interesting post, thank you agnurse. My husband’s Stroke was a haemorrhagic stroke and never once did they mention any kind of surgery. They said it was very serious but he was pretty much left to rest in bed for 3 weeks. No physio, nothing.

After 3 weeks he was moved to a stroke rehab unit which should have been great but it was a waste of time. It was seriously understaffed so he often spent 9 hours in a wheelchair. There should have been 5 physios but there were only 2 for 24 patients. There was a purpose built gym but it was locked the whole 3 months he was in there.

Maybe you do things differently in Canada.

Cossy Wed 07-Oct-26 20:28:59

Social Care, not Special Care!

Cossy Wed 07-Oct-26 20:26:22

I have such empathy for all on here remaining unsupported.

All I can compare it with is when DMiL had several TIA’s which left her with vascular dementia, which went undiagnosed for a while due to her schizophrenia until a warden in her part sheltered accommodation found her in the floor, and called an ambulance and our local hospital did a CV brain scan, at DH insistence.

It was quite a scan as she’d had a least two ā€œsessionsā€ of electric shock therapy back in the 60’s to ā€œcureā€ her schizophrenia and all her medical records ā€œdisappearedā€.

Anyway, it was a battle, DH and both worked full time and getting her carers was a mission. Then DH had a heart attack mid COVID in lockdown, and left me to carry the mantle.

Several battles with special care later, we found her very suitable residential care, I transferred to full time working from home and with the almost adult children at home, we managed to somehow muddle through.

agnurse Wed 07-Oct-26 20:16:47

Strokes actually come in two varieties. About 80% of strokes are ischemic strokes; they are caused by a blood clot in the brain that cuts off blood supply to brain tissue. (This is very similar to a heart attack, but it occurs in the brain.) This type of stroke can sometimes be treated with clot busting medication, provided that the stroke occurred within the last few hours and the patient meets the criteria. The other 20% of strokes are haemorrhagic strokes. These are caused by a bleed in the brain. These are most commonly treated with neurosurgery.

I live in Canada, and I am fortunate to live in an area where we have good quality stroke care. My grandmother experienced an ischemic stroke a number of years ago. Fortunately, it was identified immediately - she was already in hospital for an unrelated issue and the stroke occurred while she was awake and had visitors. She was not eligible for clot busting medications, but she still received other treatment and eventually was transferred to a stroke unit at a rehabilitation hospital. She made almost a complete recovery. Her speech was mildly affected and this was worse when she was tired, but she regained full function of her hand and you couldn't really see a massive difference in her handwriting eventually as compared to how it was before the stroke.

As a nursing instructor, I have previously taken students to a medicine unit that specialized in acute care of older people and acute stroke care. One patient particularly stands out to me. He was a very nice man with a lovely family. The students got a new patient or new patients every week, and because his was a good teaching case, several of my students cared for him. The first week, he was pretty much confined to bed. By the time we finished our rotation, four weeks later, he was up, dressed, and WALKING with a physical therapist. It was a wonderful experience for my students to know that he was recovering and to know that they had helped to play a part in that.

Fallingstar Wed 07-Oct-26 15:10:20

This is info I found when I googled -

Stroke research receives significantly less funding than conditions like cancer or coronary heart disease due to historical fundraising gaps, smaller dedicated charity bases, and lower public and political profile relative to its massive health burden.

Key Reasons for the Funding Disparity

• Weaker Charity Sector: Dedicated stroke charities (such as the Stroke Association) raise a fraction of the funds collected by massive, high-profile cancer charities (like Cancer Research UK) or heart disease organizations.
• Lower Public Profile and Awareness: Stroke is often viewed as an acute event or an inevitable part of aging rather than a chronic, complex condition requiring deep scientific pipelines, leading to less emotional or public mobilization.
• Perception of "Readiness": Some pharmaceutical and private sector funders have historically perceived neurological and cerebrovascular science as harder to translate into blockbuster drugs compared to oncology, shifting the financial burden onto governments and smaller charities.
• Smaller Academic Research Base: Because stroke has traditionally received less grant money, fewer university departments and clinician-scientists have specialized in stroke research, resulting in fewer high-quality grant applications submitted to major funding bodies.
• Disproportionate Funding vs. Burden: Global data show stroke accounts for a massive share of death and long-term disability (disability-adjusted life years, or DALYs), yet it frequently captures only about 9% to 10% of combined research dollars compared to over 60% for cancer.
For example, in the UK, medical research spending per stroke survivor has historically lagged far behind amounts spent per patient on conditions like dementia or cancer

Fallingstar Wed 07-Oct-26 15:09:29

V3ra

Back in 1980 my Grandma (80) had a stroke during the night and was found, on the bathroom floor, by the warden of her sheltered flat in the morning.

Tests revealed the extent of the damage to her brain was so severe that if she'd been resuscitated she would have had no quality of life (vegetable was the word used) until the next stroke which would kill her.
Doctors advised letting nature take its course.
She was kept clean, comfortable and turned regularly in bed in hospital, but given no food or fluids.
Mum sat with her and Grandma died peacefully a week later.

It was the first experience I had of palliative care (I was 23) and it was obviously very sad, but I agree that my Mum made the right decision for her own mum.

I think your mum made the right call but if course it is really sad šŸ’

V3ra Wed 07-Oct-26 14:56:04

Back in 1980 my Grandma (80) had a stroke during the night and was found, on the bathroom floor, by the warden of her sheltered flat in the morning.

Tests revealed the extent of the damage to her brain was so severe that if she'd been resuscitated she would have had no quality of life (vegetable was the word used) until the next stroke which would kill her.
Doctors advised letting nature take its course.
She was kept clean, comfortable and turned regularly in bed in hospital, but given no food or fluids.
Mum sat with her and Grandma died peacefully a week later.

It was the first experience I had of palliative care (I was 23) and it was obviously very sad, but I agree that my Mum made the right decision for her own mum.

Primrose53 Wed 07-Oct-26 13:47:29

Fallingstar

I am keeping my fingers crossed for you to win the lottery Primrose šŸ¤žšŸ¤ž
I get what you and CarrotTop are going through.
Medical staff all said my DH was lucky to survive, but in darker moments he says he wishes that he hadn’t.

Thanks Fallingstar. Will invite you over to our luxury place when the money comes through! 🤣🤣

That is pretty much where we are now in your final sentence.