Assigned female at birth

What I meant Volver was that there has been so much wokeness and pc in the Western world that Putin has seen us as weak and indecisive and embarked on the war against Ukraine whilst we have been concentrating on those issues.

I....

You....

What?!?

I've just come back to the PC after my lunch.

Excuse my language, but bloody hell...

Remember when that American blamed the gays for the flooding in New Orleans?

I'm still in shock

The idea that anyone could blame people being nice to each other for the atrocity in Ukraine is just so out there, woo woo, pants on head bonkers that I don't know what to do with it

Ukraine is happening because of not nice people, this is very clear. Please let's put the blame where it should be

25Avalon I've got my breath back.

I think what you are saying is that Putin considers the West to be unwilling or unable to respond to his aggression because we have been pre-occupied with other things, which you consider to be "soft"?

Now Putin may well think that, but he is clearly a megalomaniac who doesn't need any excuse, he's just going to do what he likes. And the response of the Ukrainians in particular, and the countries supporting them, can just show him that we're not pushovers.

But the offensive part is that you think that concentrating on developing a liberal society is "woke" and "pc". Its the way the whole world is going and Putin is going to learn that, very soon.

I admire your optimism volver but I'm not holding my breath for the world becoming more woke and pc.

There was an editorial piece on Byline Times recently, saying something similar - that Putin has stirred up ‘culture wars’ to destabilise the west and weaken leadership and alliances.

I do think that Cummings was responsible for segmenting groups (Boomers v Millennials, Metropolitan elite v The Rest, etc), the better to pick us all off, but in no case have the groups involved been to blame for any of it.

We all like to think that we are capable of autonomous thought, and sneering at the so-called MSM is usually a sign of the worst offenders, but the truth is that we are all manipulated all the time in more ways than we realise.

I certainly don't want a world that is "woke" or "pc".

I want a world that is fair and doesn't discriminate against anyone.

If you think that's deserving of silly name calling, then it's you that I'm sorry for.

Excuse me for being an optimist, I've been told off for that this week already.

Doodledog

There was an editorial piece on Byline Times recently, saying something similar - that Putin has stirred up ‘culture wars’ to destabilise the west and weaken leadership and alliances.

I do think that Cummings was responsible for segmenting groups (Boomers v Millennials, Metropolitan elite v The Rest, etc), the better to pick us all off, but in no case have the groups involved been to blame for any of it.

We all like to think that we are capable of autonomous thought, and sneering at the so-called MSM is usually a sign of the worst offenders, but the truth is that we are all manipulated all the time in more ways than we realise.

I agree with you Doodledog.

But what you have written is not the same as saying Putin started a war because we're too "woke".

volver

I've just come back to the PC after my lunch.

Excuse my language, but bloody hell...

Remember when that American blamed the gays for the flooding in New Orleans?

Right here with you! Words fail me.

I agree with the idea that we need to find a way to make space for everyone. If women's rights can only come at the expense of trans rights are we not perpetuating the idea that its ok to oppress a group of people to support another group of people? And when all the trans folk have magically gone away, who will be the next easy target? Muslims? Women? And ok, all the trans people disappear... Will that be all of the myriad of issues women face gone too? No, because in 50 years we still haven't achieved the level of unity required to actually solve sex or gender discrimination. You know, if i was a straight rich white bloke seeking to stay that way i would be quite chuffed with all the fighting going on.

If the truth is that Putin has stirred up unrest between people to destabilise before going to war...

Well that's propoganda? Is that the right word?

Maybe people should stop falling for it?

snowberryZ

JaneJudge

I am tall with big hands and feet

Snap! Me too!
However, even though I have size 7 feet nd largish handsthey are still the hands and feet of a woman. And if you were to see a photo of my bigger than average hands and feet they would still be instantly recognisable as those of a woman. Not a man.
The brain is sophisticated a picking out subtle differences between the sexes.

And I bet you don’t have a deep voice or a dark shadow,

But what you have written is not the same as saying Putin started a war because we're too "woke".
Of course not!

I wondered if there had been some misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the points raised in the article I read, is all.

If I am sent a letter with phrases like ‘once was a bleeder’ or ‘which pronoun do you want to be assigned to’ I am likely to reply in very strong terms, with maybe a few strong expletives. ????

Well done Doodledog and Others and JKR who are standing up for women. ?

I think swearing at people who are just trying to do their jobs and show a little support and inclusivity probably won't help anything

Well said NanKate???

Thank you Robin49. ?

My late cousin was trans and my friend’s son is trans and that is fine by me, what I am incensed about is that women are being phased out. Why can’t we just have Men, Transmen, Women, Transwomen, Lesbians, Homosexuals and Bisexuals and then we all know where we are ?

But lesbians are women. Usually. And what about non-binary people?

Och, I'm away back under my rock. This is too hard.

Good post NanKate which demonstrates what we are all saying. Being concerned about women being phased out has nothing whatsoever to do with being anti trans.

We'd all know where are as you say, and life would be a lot simpler wouldn't it.

If the concern is genuinely "women being phased out" why are trans people being blamed?

What is said on these threads and is allowed to be said unchallenged on these threads shows that is false. On every level.

Honestly prove it.

Ask for your preferred pronouns alongside other demographics and leave it there.

Ask for your safe spaces alongside safe spaces for other demographics and leave it there.

Ask for equality without taking anything from anyone else and leave it there

Being inclusive is not hard

Good idea Violet Sky.
It would be nice if transwomen would do that.

what about non-binary people?

What about them?
Each one of them is either female or male and should be aware of that for when it matters eg in connection with their physical health.

FarNorth

Good idea Violet Sky.
It would be nice if transwomen would do that.

All of them?

Or a very few?

Statistically a smaller percentage or bigger percentage that the GC doing it?

2 wrongs don't make it right

Yes it would be nice FarNorth for everyone.

Young women are being told that mastectomies are cool - except they are never called mastectomies, they are called top surgery.
That sounds simple, right?

thecritic.co.uk/the-trans-fairy-tale/