Eugenie’s wedding

He returned to his first love. She took several lovers.
I think there were one or two others as well OldMeg, for instance, Kanga?

Your previous posts make clear the extent of your feelings about Dianna, Annie. I'm prompted to respond this time because I find the description "she was vicious" so harsh and unnecessary.

I know you and many others see it differently but my view is that Diana was very young, not worldly wise and had experienced a very difficult childhood. Her parents divorce had a profound impact on her and brother Charles. The reports of the travelling between parental homes, unaccompanied on long train journeys would have most of us grandparents wanting to "do something " if those youngsters had been our grandchildren.
She had low self esteem, psychological difficulties and all the reports I've read point to her discovering that Charles was still involved with Camilla a few days before the RWedding. It's said she went to see her older sisters to say she wanted out, realised she was making a huge mistake, only to be told she'd no chance because her face was "already on the Tea towels".
Charles was much older than Diana but didn't have the ideal childhood himself did he.
Despite their difficulties, it's clear they both loved there children. Diana died very young, leaving her children bereaved at key stages of their development.
They were fortunate in not having to worry about a roof over their heads, or bills to pay but that doesn't mean they were protected from the harsh realities of growing up, especially in the public eye.

sorry - paddyann!

Perhaps a proper discussion about monarchy -v- republicanism could be of value but it would have to be in the style of Lazigirl's earlier post and not on the grounds of envy and jealousy. Those visceral feelings of hatred have no place in reasoned debate.

There will always be 'haves' and 'have nots' and no amount of social engineering or the very best Welfare State will ever change that.

paddann I think a lot of people have said that about Anne, however, I do think that Charles has done a lot more than many people realise to help the under-privileged or those who need a helping hand to get on the right path in life, eg The Prince's Trust etc.

My impression of both Charles and Diana is that they were damaged individuals. Charles perhaps has had some therapy.

It was an arranged marriage known by both sides. Why on earth did she say about her virginity - I knew I had to keep myself tidy .

That panorama interview - ‘there were three in the marriage’. wrong, there were at least five and how many marriages had she been the third in.

When she started the affair with Dodi Fayed he was holidaying on his own yatch with his fiancée.

And this was cruel - I went to the place where his (Barry Manakee) ashes had been scattered, I didn’t like it, a cold lonely place. What about his poor wife and his family ?

She lied in her book about Charles seeing Harry for the first time - oh a boy and it’s got red hair.

Charles didn’t know the baby was a boy? I bet there had been several scans and the results known. Harry was in school when this book was published.

Twice the Windsor’s saved her from legal proceedings, Julia Carling wanted to name her in the Carling divorce.

And Tiggy’s parents demanded an apology for her attack on poor Tiggy or they would sue , Tiggy’s mother was lady in waiting to Anne for years . The two sons loved Tiggy, she loved them, I saw them together , they had freedom and fun, Harry is Godfather to one of Tiggy’s sons
She was vicious .

PS some of them would rather have Anne than Charlie or his sons when Lizzie dies

I think it depends on who the sample were in Scotland,remember that over three quarters of a million voters in Scotland are English by birth.I know that from the people I know and meet on a regular basis the English born Scots are far more likely to support the monarchy even some who are English born Scots for Independence who campaign for the cause and are vocal about ditching Westminster still want a queen .

I think Prince Charles married her hoping that love would grow. He was under tremendous pressure to get married and, in those days, he could only marry someone 'suitable'. She thought she was in love with him and was also ambitious and wanted to be Princess of Wales.

It was a complete mismatch but i do believe he tried, at least initially, to make the marriage work.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum gilly re Charles.

I very much doubt she was in ignorance of his mistress when she married. It was common knowledge, especially in the circles they both moved within. She probably thought it was all over, and when she found it wasn’t her conduct was just as bad, or worse.

Who goes on national TV and admits to her own adultry? And why? Revenge? How on earth must William and a Harry feel if they ever watched that nauseating interview?

So do we agree that he married Diana under the instructions of his mummy and granny in order to provide an heir and a spare from good stock (aristocracy).

He was probably told it would be okay for him to have a bit on the side (which I believe is quite common for gentlemen of a certain standing) .

Annie I did not say that he said, "he wanted to be a tampon" ?

My exact words were ....and lets not forget the "tampon" humiliation. How on earth could anyone respect him after that?

I am no fan of the RF but I think they are behaving like many people who have a sense of entitlement and infact many ordinary folk too. The only difference is that they have their private affairs raked over for the prurience of the population. Perhaps they should have better moral standards, but they are human like the rest of us. Here am I a Republican defending them no not really!

I so agree OldMeg, but I do not believe her story that she was devastated when he told her he was having an affair, he dated her sister before her, she holidayed at Balmoral, she was part of the royal inner circle.

merlot ?

Poor Charles and Diana both.

He, persuaded into a loveless marriage when there was really only one woman he ever loved, for the sake of an heir.

She, a naive young girl, probably?

He returned to his first love. She took several lovers.

Why is one pillaried and the other not?

We did in the seventies Maizie ?

How very environmentally unfriendly. You should never put tampons down the toilet...

I am not merlot, I am sticking strictly to his words

I typed the relevant bit about the tampon merlot, thank you, no way did he say he wanted to be a tampon. I think it unfair that many claim he did.

You're splitting heirs, annie

The correct version of the tampon talk

Camilla. ‘ oh, your going to come back as a pair of knickers

Charles. or God forbid a Tampax, just my luck

My luck to be chucked down the lavatory and go
On and on for ever , swirling around the top,
Never going down

www.textfiles.com/phreak/camilla.txt

Here you go, annie

Make of it what you will.

Diana was of the aristocracy

gilly, get the tampon recording correct please , the man did not say he wanted to be a tampon