Moaning Leavers, an explanation

Brexit has not yet happened, and there can be no certainty that it ever will.

www.gfmag.com/topics/blogs/uk-could-exit-brexit

Oh give it a rest Varian!

BRITAIN'S richest man who owns the huge petrochemical site at Grangemouth is understood to be leaving the country to live in low-tax Monaco.

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the 65-year-old boss of Ineos who was knighted this summer, has not revealed the reason for his move, but already owns a mansion on the French Riviera.

The high-profile Brexit supporter who was named as the UK’s wealthiest individual in the 2018 Sunday Times Rich List, with a fortune of £21.1 billion.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16409901.billionaire-grangemouth-boss-sir-jim-ratcliffe-moves-to-monaco-tax-haven-after-backing-brexit/

Another patriotic brexiter jumps ship.

Well done Mr Banks

The full details of Russia’s gold deal offer to Arron Banks ahead of the EU referendum are revealed in a leaked document which mentions exclusive “opportunities not available to others” and support from a Kremlin bank.

A seven-slide presentation, seen for the first time, shows how Banks – the main donor behind Leave.EU – was offered the chance of making potentially enormous profits in a deal featuring a Russian gold company.

The offer was made through Alexander Yakovenko, Russia’s ambassador in London.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/09/revealed-detail-of-exclusive-russian-deal-offered-to-arron-banks-in-brexit-run-up

Arron Banks may have used Russian money to fund the Leave campaign and may be one of the tiny few who stand to profit from brexit, but if you were one of the ordinary folk who was misled into voting leave, and now realises how much you stand to lose, that would explain the moaning.

It will take 50 years for things to get better according to JRM

Brexiteers no deal scaremongering? I think not!
Those with a vested interest in remaining have been issuing a barrage of scaremongering since before the actual referendum, this is intensifying the nearer the event gets and which, in most instances has been disproved.

There will be bumps along the road, it would be foolish not to accept this, but the eventual outcome will be in the countrys best interest.

Sensible MPs know that leaving without a deal would be utterly irresponsible – there is no majority in the Commons for such a foolish approach. But there is a risk that in a tense and difficult situation the easy way out will be to vote through whatever fudged version of the Chequers agreement May gets.

Parliament must do better than that. The process of Brexit has been nothing but delay and fudge, made worse by the absence of strategy and little transparency. This has gone on too long. The British people are entitled to know what their future will be after March 29 2019. They are also entitled to decide whether or not the agreement that the government gets from the EU is better or worse than our current membership. We should take heed of the dangers of no deal but not be bullied into a bad deal.

infacts.org/beware-brexiters-no-deal-scaremongering/

The Electoral Commission has dismissed allegations made by Tory MP Priti Patel about the spending of pro-EU groups during the 2016 Brexit referendum. The watchdog said there was no evidence that laws on campaign spending had been breached.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-remain-campaign-spending-priti-patel-electoral-commission-tory-mp-a8474961.html

The disgraced ex-minister Pritti Patel seems to be a classic example of a "moaning leaver" who, even when the lies and cheating by the leave campaign has been proven beyond doubt thinks she can get away with making false allegations about the Remain campaign.

I think we all now realise that the Remain campaign was shambolic and ineffective, but at least it was based on truth.

I did not at any time say a general majority or even a large minority Grandad I simply said it something WE see regularly (as in our company) I also never mentioned cars or trucks as I know nothing about either .

crystaltips
It is not a case for 'tit for tat'

Grandad1943
One has to wonder how clearly the facts have to be stated

gillybob, are you stating that the majority or even a large minority of machines, cars, trucks etc produced in EU member states are inferior to comparative products produced in the UK?

Respectfully if you are stating the above I find that ridiculous.

And all the misplaced hysteria surrounding how we are “ ruled” by the EU.

Especially when analysing all the misplaced hysteria around leaving the EU, as if we had lived in a vacuum before entering it.

The more facts?! figures & opinions I read, the more I am convinced that it was in the main an emotional vote.
Even now neither side can accurately predict how it will all pan out. Future Historians will have a field day when analysing this particular period of our Country’s history.

Grabdad ? sorry meant Grandad

Oh Grabdad I can assure you that in many cases they absolutely do ! We work on Machines that should have never left a factory never mind been installed for use . The difference being that we ( in the UK) tend to ( quite rightly) play be the rules when many other EU countries sadly do not .

Grandad1943
Did i say that UK consultants were visiting 3rd world EU countries?
I think if you re-read you will find I did not, I said Worldwide. You may need to broaden your perspective past the EU.
I think you may not be unaware of this band of international travelling professionals. Incidentally, one of my nephews is lecturing in H&S in a college in the UAE, the syllabus being based upon UK principals.
Having at one time been an NVQ assessor for those taking the H&S part of their apprenticeships etc. I do have a minute insight into the subject.

Gillybob, your post coincided at the same time as my own. However, I cannot agree that European standards in safety fall short of British standards in any overall way

We also work closely with a German company ( twice the size of us) who cannot believe how much we pay in overheads, insurances etc. They say that they get masses of help from their government. I can honestly say we get zilch ! Not a bloomin’ thing . No wonder UK small firms find it impossible to compete . It isn’t an even playing field .

Joelsnan, found two gillybob posts on this thread but cannot see they add any evidence to the charge that Britain has higher standards in industrial safety than other leading European Union country.

If there is a further Gillybob posts in this thread that I have not found which does present that evidence please give day and time posted

We are currently working on a machine designed and built in France . It produced a speciality food product . It would NEVER pass EU standards . I could list the failures. Strangely though it is CE marked . We are not H&S experts but we get passed work from a company who are . Almost always machines built in mainland Europe that fall short of EU standards .

I think there is a lot of misrepresentation about the gig economy. My understanding is that most of those on zero hours contracts do so because they are students or others who don't wish to be tied to permanent hours. This being so it means that they probably don't continue in this type of employment for very long so probably wouldn't qualify for pensions unless the law has changed since I was working. At that time an employer didn't need to enroll a new employee into its pensions scheme for 2 years. I'm not sure about the new rules but if employers have to enroll people as soon as they start work then such people won't loose out. Of course it could be that they are not working enough to pay NI and will miss out on the state pension but that would apply to all people working just a few hours whether in the gig economy or otherwise.

Grandad1943
Read gillbob posts a little further us as evidence.