Windrush Generation

joelsnan
Have you picked up the baton Re the blue links

Thanks for that, Joelsnan

Joel this article is not mainly about voter fraud but electoral fraud/abuse. The Guardian article puts the voter fraud statistic in context - 21 cases in 2014, 44 cases in 2016 and then 28 cases in 2017 - funnily enough the Cabinet Office ‘failed’ to mention the 2017 figure - but who wants facts to get in the way of a good story. I’m not denying that there are not a range of electoral law abuses but voter fraud is not a real issue. So what is the real agenda?

As requested I have posted some links to articles which are actually very easy for anyone to access.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/23/police-open-inquiries-allegations-electoral-fraud-uk

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/birmingham-vote-fraud-still-happening-7229359

www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/politics/borough-at-risk-of-electoral-fraud-1-8356960

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/more-election-fraud-claims-in-bradford-and-huddersfield-than-london-and-west-midlands-combined-1-8457329

Voter ID is aimed at those who vote when they are not legally entitled - it is a sub section of electoral law which includes a huge range of possible offences - you know like the Tories not declaring all their election expenses or that dreadful UKIP man who pretended to live in the constituency. I think some posters haven’t quite understood that

Lutfer Rahman, once the mayor of Tower Hamlets was banned from holding office.
The judge said that he had driven a coach and horses through election law and didn't care

Well, yes. that was the sort of thing I was finding, maryeliza...

We're clearly not looking in the right place...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/01/government-claim-of-voter-surge-misleading-says-watchdog

Well whilst you’re waiting Maizie

I'm still waiting for Joelsnan to come back with all this information on voter fraud which a simple internet search was supposed to find...

The USA info is from University of California San Diego (sorry I can't find the link now)

maryeliza, I'd have to agree with you. There were problems with postal votes in 2004/2005 but current data available doesn’t suggest that in-person or proxy voter fraud is a significant problem (I think there was one prosecution?). Info from the USA provides some evidence that strict ID requirements may have an uneven impact across different communities, and risks therefore having a distorting effect on electoral participation. The pilot should be scrutinised very carefully.

The different pilot areas are piloting different forms of ID. However the whole voter Id project is aimed at reducing the Labour vote. This government is an absolute disgrace

On 16th April 2018 the Tories said "all cases would be sorted out within a fortnight".

Windrush Statistics:

• 7,000 have come forward
• 3,000 identified as Windrush Victims
• 100 Victims now have their cases solved
• 96% of identified Windrush Victims still don't have their cases solved

People of the Windrush generation who are struggling to get relevant id, and people who can't afford passports or driving license, are the ones who could end up disenfranchised if these requirements are introduced more widely

It seems like the different areas are stating different requirements. Swindon say you need your polling card, if not then photographic id such as passport, & they won't accept bank statements etc. Whereas Bromley are saying photo id but include bus pass etc or 2 other things from a long list which includes bank statement, utility bill etc. It will be interesting to see how many were denied a vote at each place

It’s not just the few who turned up at the polling station without ID - it’s the people who didn’t have any suitable ID available or who didn’t have time to search for their documents.
I’ve often, in the past, dashed into the polling station on the way home from work, without having to think have I got my passport, polling card etc.

The pilot scheme seems to be a great success not

twitter.com/acgrayling/status/992038226054582272?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=0391ef572a3149e585228d1fe8563bcf&uid=984620508&nid=244+289476609

All our utility bills are online now and paperless, so I couldn't produce one, I suppose I could print one off or find one on my phone, but how many people are going to bother, especially if they've had a busy day at work , collecting kids, cooking tea etc.

Perhaps you could give me a few links, Joelsnan. My first two pages of search results for 'voter fraud uk' came up with a series of results saying that voter fraud was negligible.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=Voter+fraud+uk&oq=Voter+fraud+uk&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.17364j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It takes little research on the Internet to find numerous articles on voter fraud and their hot spots.

Disappointingly, nobody challenges me about it.?