As DD said 'There are no words'

Yes - there are no words! So tough for your daughter - hugs to her x

Yep nina, there are no words. As mrshat said, tough for your daughter but tough for you too!

Totally useless.

Strong words are called (from your DD) for then perhaps he'll redeem himself for the rest of the week.

What a waster. Your poor DD. I can't believe he was lying awake and just left her to get on with it for starters never mind what followed.

Exactly what I said to DH Agus This is just typical of him. As DD says she might as well be a single parent !

There are words but I'd get deleted. Seriously when she has calmed down he needs to be made to understand he is a grown up man with responsibilities for you.

My neice has 3 children to cope with - they are 3, 5 and 42

It really get's you doesn't it ninathenan.

I am sorry to say tiggypiro summed up my daughter's marriage. She too had two children, one 7 years old the other 37.

They are now in the process of divorcing.

And my DD. We should form a club.Divorce isn't on the cards at the moment but in my eyes it cannot come soon enough.

I doubt that saying anything will help.If he is as bad in all other areas, then maybe it's time for your DD to have a think about her life.If she is generally happy with him, then leave well alone.

It is very unfair on the children as well, the older one would be very unhappy at being late for school (or else just learn bad habits from his father) and the younger one wet and miserable.

Is he going to change - that is the question.

I can't see him changing. They've been together 10yrs married 8yrs and always been the same. I think she's be better off without him. But I think she's scared. I don't know her true feelings for him.

How very difficult for you nina - we have no control over who our DDs choose to marry and it must be a huge worry when they do not come up to scratch.

I am so blessed with 3 good lads who have married my DDs - all very different, but all honest, caring in their own ways, and good fathers. These posts make me count my blessings.

I won't go into detail but todays situation is even worse I had a chat with DD and she admitted that finance and the fact DGSx2 are so young are why for now the only reason she stays
The only good thing in all this is he's never violent or cruel, just unthinking, uncaring, and bone idle!!

Nina we've been there. DD'S escape was made easier because when she admitted that she was at the stage your DD is now she was persuaded to open a secret bank account to which we contributed too. Discreet online househunting found a house to rent and when she was ready, with help from bank of parents plus housing benefit, she did it! I suppose much depends on the rental market locally and realise that it may not be possible everywhere. Very heartfelt best wishes.

Thank you mcem

As some of you know, we have a 'situation' which has resulted in DD3 staying here with her two tinies.

I so agree with Mishap's comment about choosing our children's partners. DDs 1 and 2 chose well and have fine partners and fathers but never in a hundred years would we have chosen 'the idiot' for DD3.

DS2's wife was a disaster but luckily they had no children. He is with a lovely woman now and has two stepchildren to whom he is a good father.

On the other hand, we loved DD1's wife and thought she was wonderful - she turned out to be made of straw and abandoned him when things got tough.

So, it's probably best that they make their own mistakes!

for anyone who is suffering like this at the moment!!