Zimmerman found not guilty

Sort of subject change but same principle: Eddie Shah - found innocent but how much mud will unfairly stick to him too. He too was judged, and found guilty at the connection of his name with the word rape. The fact that he is innocent - who waited to find that out, who will now judge him innocent?

Thanks, riverwalk. I did wonder, after I'd posted, whether I was assuming too much.

Part of the tragedy, always, in these incidents, is the ease of access to killing weapons. Crazy world.

But the bottom line in this case seems to be that the jury apparently could not have come to any other verdict on the evidence they had.

Back to the original post, I think the Metropolitan Police have been forced to clean up their act haven't they? I don't think they would dare be racist again.

Greatnan, you are so right. And it was pouring with rain- so it made sense to cover his head. You can't go killing kids because they are wearing a hoodie!

jo8 Zimmerman is half hispanic. The 'pecking' order of racism is very well documented. Many of the National Front supporters in South of France are second or third generation Spanish or Italians, who have got further up the ladder.

could still be black

Oh dear...

it would make no difference, as he even wouldn't know it! It is who one aspires to be, aligns oneself with...
OH has black and indonesian blood in him 2 generations back - but he is white and considers himself English through and through. You could dig up photos and genetic tests, it would made no difference at all!

My father spent some time in the US during the war. By today's standards he was pretty racist himself, but he was horrified by the chain gangs of black prisoners he saw there. He couldn't believe that people could be treated like that. My mother was in the ATS and was warned not to speak to any of the black GI's Naturally she and her friends ignored the warning and got the backing of their CO to do so. One wonders sometimes whether anything has changed in America at all.

It sahouldn't make any difference at all, whether he is black, white or sky-blue-pink. And I don't think it has. He was cleared according to the US laws.

'shouldn''t. sorry for typo

As the author of this post may I politely point out, the first responder described me as a racist because there was no evidence the man who admitted killing a black 17 year old because he was wearing a hoody, in the rain and thereby by the rules of racist stereotyping was automatically guilty and deserving of an instant death penalty Zero apology with zero admittance of getting it horribly wrong. I was advised i was quite wrong that there was no such thing as slave state law then the president of the USA called for calm because the Florida State law allowed a murderer/ manslaughter go free. Time and time again it becomes apparent a newcomer to this forum has to abide by the unwritten, quite cosy rules or be attacked for upsetting the applecart. grandura, grandnan I thank you for attempting to bring some form of sanity to what I, and I believe you both see as a dreadful situation, but why in the name of whatever deity people play lip service to should we have to answer the grunts of people who refuse to put their beliefs to the forum. To sign off not finally as I,m quite sure many of the cosy folk would like a final response to whenim64, your complacent, self satisfied, its 5 oclock so thats it approach to a caring profession really does make me regret fighting, however patronizing you will almost certainly respond to makes me regret the effort l and other mere males put in to ensure women po,s should be fully represented and had it thrown back in my face far too often to forgive.
Angry , Passionate, oxford dictionary. got it right. for once.+
Peter

I think this blog about racism in the US will be right up your street, Moggsy.

As an aside, I'd find your posts much easier to follow if you would emulate this writer's style a bit. Clarity goes a long way.

So many echoes of the Stephen Lawence case twenty years ago; a young unarmed black man killed, police officers reluctant to act, alleged offenders acquitted. But it didn't end there and perhaps this case too will shine a light into racists, racism and 'institutional' racism.

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j08, you comment that in a Southern State of America, it does not make any difference as to where someone is black or white is either hugely naive or much worse. Really.

Remember the poem:

First they came for the Communists...

"We in the UK have worked our way through blaming, physically attacking and denigrating, in turn Jews coming to OUR country to escape programs in their own country, the Irish for coming here to escape the potato famine, The black Caribbeans transported this to this country on the ex troopship HMS Windrush to take up jobs UK citizens preferred not to do"

I think that instead of "We" at the beginning of this statement, "Some people in the UK" would have been more accurate. I think it's important not to blame innocent people for things they haven't done. I do not personally know anyone who has done any of those things.

My OH's family lived through the worst of Apartheid, split into 3 different ethnic groups due to their genetic heritage and depending on what shade of colour the children turned out to be. Mainly coloreds, Cape Malays, a few blacks and a couple of 'whites', including his father - before they immigrated to the UK (a grand-father was British. Would you say that criminal justice in South Africa in those days didn't align itself to colour and race? Struuuf.


To whom is your last post addressed, jura?

Ok! Zimmerman was racist. listen at 1.49

This makes it all different.

I said it shouldn't make any difference Granjura. And what was the "or much worse" supposed to mean? I hope you were not suggesting that I am racist!

You need to read posts more carefully.

Is that the 911 tape that was selectively edited to make Zimmerman appear to be making racist comments? If so, isn't that one of the reasons he was acquitted?

BTW, I don't know if he is a racist. He could be. The point of the acquittal is that evidence was not good enough to convict him.

On the tape you can hear him calling black people "fucking coons". That can't be anything but racist.

I haven't followed the ins and outs of this case. I agree he was acquitted according to US laws.

I don't think you can edit something into a tape. It's clearly his voice.